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Saturday, May 09, 2009
Star ____?
In anticipation of my going to see the new movie tomorrow, I have this simple question for you all:
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(1) Phelps made the following comment | May 9, 2009 11:49:26 PM | Permalink
Joss Whedon is my master now.
(2) nk made the following comment | May 10, 2009 2:25:30 AM | Permalink
Thank you, anyway. Not my flavor.
(3) A.W. made the following comment | May 11, 2009 8:41:51 AM | Permalink
Saw Trek this weekend. I and the wife liked it alot. Its still computing so hard to rank it with the others, but it is certainly in among the "good" Treks.
Only thing is that two things Spock's character did frankly was out of character. I am tempted to say it out loud, but it would be a big spoiler so, i won't.
(4) Paul_In_Houston made the following comment | May 11, 2009 11:47:23 AM | Permalink
A.W. made the following comment
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Only thing is that two things Spock's character did frankly was out of character. I am tempted to say it out loud, but it would be a big spoiler so, i won't.
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To be honest, there's a LOT that I could probably nitpick to death about this movie, but it wouldn't change the bottom line...
Because of the characters and their interactions, this is the most "fun" Star Trek I can remember.
To paraphrase one of the characters, "I LIKE THIS MOVIE!" :-)
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(5) A.W. made the following comment | May 11, 2009 2:02:02 PM | Permalink
Paul,
Agree 100%, on the bottom line. but those two things are really sticking in my craw. i mean i always liked how when Spock sacrificed himself in Wrath of Khan, how it was almost like the inevitable result of who he was. Because of who Spock was, there was pretty much no way he could not go into that reactor and give his life. It was a done deal. The needs of the many outwiegh the needs of the one.
okay SPOILER ALERT, let me voice my exact concern.
Old spock could have made everything go smoother by just coming along with kirk. but he didn't. why? because it was more important that new spock and new kirk become buddies. you got that? so spock goes from "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one" to "the needs of our friendship outweigh the needs every life on earth." It is inverting exactly what we all loved about spock, his devotion to right and wrong, and his principled willingness to literally die for his principle.
That's not a nitpick. that is the core of his character. and yes, characters can change, but then at least explain why spock feels differently.
And, i would add on a less outrageous note, his romance would never happen. not that he wouldn't fall for a hot girl, but not under inappropriate circumstances. anyone who has seen the movie knows exactly what i am talking about.
So you have to ignore that, which is a big thing to ignore, but otherwise it really was good. I think the way to think about it is that mostly this isn't the same "universe" as all of the prior shows, movies, etc. Look at it like batman begins/the dark knight, compared to the TV show, and/or the last run ("Batman" through, ug, "Batman and Robin"). Or the new Battlestar Galactica v. the old one. Yeah, there are certain templates in common, but its not the same thing. And that lets us forgive alot of differences. but old spock was from the old universe; and the relationship young spock had was well underway long before any universe-changing events hit him. so they had a duty to stay true to who he was at least until that happened and they failed. not the end of the world, and it didn't ruin the movie, but they either should have followed Spock's character, or explained his development away from those principles.
(6) Molly made the following comment | May 21, 2009 5:03:11 PM | Permalink
A.W., the reason that old Spock wanted Kirk and young Spock to become friends was that they would work much better together if they were. If they realized that they would be so much more formidable of a force when together, they would become stronger. And they would use that strength to save many more lives (the needs of the many!). Old Spock was very wise from many years of experience. He trusted Kirk (and the young Spock) to get the job done without him. He was taking a risk by not going with Kirk- but it was a very small risk.
And the romance... well, the absence of a father must have altered Kirk- at least a little. Perhaps, in the few years that we did not see in which Kirk and the girl (I don't know how to spell her name, so I'll refer to her as 'the girl') were in school, Kirk did something that he wouldn't have done if he had a father that completely annihilated all chances of a relationship between them. Thus, the girl went for the next cute guy. Remember: SHE kissed Spock first.
Overall, I'd give the movie 5 stars out of 5. The movie had the potential to be terrible, but it worked. The director, the actors, everyone made it work.
By the way, this is Beldar's youngest daughter. :]
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