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Saturday, January 05, 2008
"I will beat these people, just like I've been beating them for my whole life"
John Edwards in tonight's Democratic debate in New Hampshire (my transcription from TiVo, emphasis also mine), in an impassioned riff that's the very core of his stump speech:
I think what matters — we've had a lot of conversation about the first day in the White House. I think we ought to picture what that first day in the White House would be, for each of us. I'll just speak for myself. You know, I'm the candidate up here who's never taken a dime from a Washington lobbyist in my entire time in public life, or a dime from a special-interest PAC. The first day that I'm president of the United States, there will be no corporate lobbyists working in my White House. There will be no lobbyist who's lobbied for foreign governments.
And it's — this is a very personal cause for me, because I come from a family — my father's in the audience tonight — where my father worked for thirty-seven years in the mills. He didn't get a chance, like I did, to have a college education. And this is a fight for the middle class and for families just like I grew up with. My grandmother, who helped raise me, had a fifth- or sixth-grade education, came from a family of sharecroppers. She worked in the mill every day so I could have the chances that I've had.
I spent twenty years fighting irresponsible corporations in courtrooms. I know what it takes to fight these people and win. But here's what I would want people to know.
What I want people to know is: This battle is deep inside me, and it is personal. And it matters, whether it's personal or not, because if it's either academic or political, when the tough fight comes, you'll walk away from it, you'll do what's political. This fight is deeply personal to me. I've been engaged in it my whole life, the fight for the middle class, the fight against powerful special interests. And it is a fight I will wage on behalf of the people as president of the United States....
This spiel presumes that everyone in the audience knows that Edwards, before being elected to the Senate, was a prominent and, by all accounts, very successful plaintiff's personal injury trial lawyer. That's certainly a reasonable presumption on his part, given his high degree of name recognition dating back to the 2004 election in which he was the Dems' Veep nominee.
This spiel also presumes that the substantial portion of the American public who thoroughly despise plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyers as as class are already lost to him as potential voters. That's not Edwards' intended audience at all.
Instead, he's speaking to the (also very substantial) portion of the American public who are still capable of viewing plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyers as champions of the downtrodden, the oppressed, and the victimized. And to that portion of the public — most of whom are Democrats or who at least lean Democratic, and who might therefore vote in the Democratic primaries — the subtext of Edwards' message is this:
Yes, I'm a newly rich man. I have a big house, and I can buy $400 haircuts without a second thought, and I can't remember the last time I sat in a center seat with my knees against my chest on a commercial airline flight. But that's because I am a gladiator, a champion, a warrior without compare — and I've wrested the fortune that permits me to own that big house and pay for those haircuts and airline flights from the greedy, blood-drenched fists of the robber-barons whose sole joys in life are to deny badly needed liver transplants to young girls who actually do have health insurance. And if you want to enjoy the sheer spectacle of me slaying the Big Insurance Companies, the Big Pharmaceutical Companies, and the Big Oil Companies from the White House (instead of just from the courtroom), give me your vote!
It's not exactly political jujutsu, because he's not speaking to the voters who detest plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyers. He can't "flip" those people. He's not even trying (at least not now, not during primary season).
But it's certainly an example of exploiting — ruthlessly, shamelessly, aggressively, incessantly — the exact part of his career history that other voters than the ones he's trying to woo consider to be among his biggest liabilities.
Way back in December 2006, I wrote that Edwards' career as a plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyer ought not automatically disqualify him from public office. Rather, I argued, qualities (or lack thereof) personal to him ought to compel that result.
But there's a reason that Gladiator won Oscars for Best Picture and Best Actor, after all! Edwards' exploitation of his past as a plaintiffs' personal injury lawyer is deliberate and, perhaps, very canny. As the 2008 presidential campaign has played out, it's become increasingly clear that that career history is not only fundamental to his personality, but to his basic campaign strategy.
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So just how successful was John Edwards as a trial lawyer? Did he almost always win? Did he win most of the time? More than fifty percent of the time?
Nobody really knows, not with mathematical or statistical precision. Even John Edwards himself doesn't know, not in enough detail to answer those exact questions, as phrased.
Practicing law isn't like playing baseball. In baseball, every at-bat ends in an out or an on-base. Those are the only options, so it's very easy to do a nice, clean statistical analysis of a hitter's career at-bats. The on-base portion of the Venn diagram has "hits" and "walks" (including hit batsmen) and "errors" — again, clean, exclusive, and chartable on a sheet of graph paper (or its electronic equivalent). People can, and do, compare the statistics of baseball players not only from different teams, but different eras, and make rational arguments about who was great, who was merely good, who was average, and who was below-average in comparison to one another.
Edwards won some big jury verdicts. Those are indeed matters of public record. But those were, almost certainly, something under 20%, and probably under 10%, and maybe under 5%, and quite possibly under 2%, of the total cases he handled during his career.
Even a goodly chunk of the jury verdicts — the ones that got him big local headlines and corresponding respect among his peers in the North Carolina bar — ended up settling on appeal. And I would bet my ranch (well, anyway, the ranch I someday aspire to own) that just like every other plaintiffs' personal injury lawyer in the United States during the last half-century, the overwhelming, vast majority of his cases settled before trial.
Plaintiffs' personal injury lawyers have a truism: You don't make your fortune off the cases you try. You make your fortune off the cases you settle, based on the settlement amounts that are (in significant part) a function of the (vastly smaller) number of cases that you try.
Oh, don't misunderstand me: If you don't have a reputation gained by winning a sufficient number of high-profile cases, you're unlikely to be able to settle most of your cases for above-average amounts. And without that reputation, you won't attract very many, if any, of the cases whose fact-patterns can give rise to huge settlements. (Brain-damaged baby cases don't grow on trees! There's a competition for them!)
But by definition, settlements are "draws." They don't get counted up as "at-bats." They disappear down the memory hole, remembered only the individuals involved in each of them.
Whether a settlement is a "good settlement" or a "bad settlement," a "win" or a "loss," is a very, very subjective subject. It's not just common, but incredibly common, for the lawyers for both sides in a settlement to claim victory in their private discussions with their clients and/or their comments, if any, to the press. Yet it's not just common, but incredibly common, for the lawyers for both sides in a settlement to secretly believe, in their heart of hearts, that they lucked out, or squeaked by, or avoided disaster, or broke even.
Indeed, settlements aren't generally matters of public record. To the contrary, large and increasing percentages of them over the last half-century have been conditioned upon their terms remaining confidential — including settlements while appeals were pending, from those cases that have already gone to highly publicized verdicts. That conceals results that might otherwise have been deemed "victories" by other knowledgeable observers. But it also conceals results that might otherwise have been deemed "defeats," and nobody, not even the law firms and clients involved, can tell you with any precision at all how many of each category have been so consigned to secrecy.
As someone who's practiced on both sides of the personal injury bar in Texas for about as long as John Edwards practiced law on the plaintiffs' side in North Carolina, and from time to time in comparably sized cases to those he's associated with by reputation (albeit from the defense side in those), I will guarantee you this:
There does not live or breathe the plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyer who has not wondered, agonized, paced the floor debating, and perhaps even vomited into the toilet wondering (to himself, to his spouse, maybe to a trusted partner), after the conclusion of a mediation that resulted in a settlement: "When the insurance company's adjuster or corporate representative boarded his flight back to ___, did he still have $___ thousand/hundred thousand/million dollars in 'settlement authority' that he ended up not having to agree to pay out? Did I leave big money on the table by settling, when I should have held out, maybe tried the case?" Because if he did ... then by one standard, the plaintiff's lawyer lost that case.
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So: If you're trying to predict how often President Edwards will be able to sustain his veto overrides, or ram unwanted legislation down the throats of an objecting (a/k/a "powerful special interest"-toadying) set of Congress-critters, what inferences can you actually draw from his success as a courtroom lawyer "who's been winning" against "these people" for "all [his] life"?
You can't. Not if you know the truth about the nature of the career in which he was engaged before he entered politics. Not if you understand just how hard it is to compare trial lawyers in the same way that we compare, for example, baseball players or hedge fund managers. Nobody can either prove or disprove, objectively or statistically, Edwards' claim that he's been "beating these people." You can verify that he's gotten very rich by doing it — but that could just as well mean he's won big on one out of every 20 cases, not on 17 out of every 20.
If you're a Democrat, would you be satisfied with a President Edwards who wins (but wins big) only one out of every 20 times he's in a political battle? I rather think not. Hell, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are already doing better than that.
You can only buy into John Edwards' inference — "I'll whip 'these people' as president just like I've whipped them as a hugely successful plaintiffs' personal injury trial lawyer" — if you're a bitter, class-resentful, and (most importantly) ignorant sucker.
And John Edwards is counting on enough Democrats to be suckers who will buy into that spiel so that he'll get their party's nomination. I still don't think that's likely to happen. But that is his fundamental pitch.
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(1) Marge R. made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 12:26:58 AM | Permalink
I am worried about the Edwards -Rielle Hunter sex scandal. I predict that the MSM will go after the John Edwards - Rielle Hunter love affair story (with baby in oven now!) ONLY if he looks to be the nominee.
The MSM would prefer to just ignore any sex scandal of a politician (Democrat, that is), but they may have to cover the story when Ms. Hunter puts John Edwards on the birth certificate as the father. Under some state laws, it's the birth certificate that counts for child support, if the "birth father" does not contest it.
Once Rielle Hunter determines that it would be much easier to get child support if John Edwards is listed on the birth certificate, I think that Ms. Hunter will let the story out. She knows about John Edwards' fortune and she want it!!
So, what's this mean? It's my opinion that Rielle Hunter's life could be in danger. John Edwards would do anything to shut her up (and to prevent that baby from being born.) God help her.
(2) Marge R. made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 12:27:34 AM | Permalink
I am worried about the Edwards -Rielle Hunter sex scandal. I predict that the MSM will go after the John Edwards - Rielle Hunter love affair story (with baby in oven now!) ONLY if he looks to be the nominee.
The MSM would prefer to just ignore any sex scandal of a politician (Democrat, that is), but they may have to cover the story when Ms. Hunter puts John Edwards on the birth certificate as the father. Under some state laws, it's the birth certificate that counts for child support, if the "birth father" does not contest it.
Once Rielle Hunter determines that it would be much easier to get child support if John Edwards is listed on the birth certificate, I think that Ms. Hunter will let the story out. She knows about John Edwards' fortune and she want it!!
So, what's this mean? It's my opinion that Rielle Hunter's life could be in danger. John Edwards would do anything to shut her up (and to prevent that baby from being born.) God help her.
(3) Gregory Koster made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 2:46:44 AM | Permalink
Dear Mr Dyer: Wait a minute. Are you telling me that when Vincent Bugliosi brags about winning 21 of 21 murder cases and 105 of 106 felony cases that he tried (for one example of this, see his Wikipedia entry), he is misleading us? And now John Edwards is doing the same thing? Say it ain't so!...OK, enough lawyer bashing, which you toelrate far beyond what Emily Post would allow me. I think your case against the "statistics" Edwards puts out is sound, but that isn't the whole story. Most political battles don't "go to trial" so to speak, but are "settled." If Edwards is skilled in settling, that would be a valuable skill for a President. His fortune would be proof that he has this valuable skill. Trouble is, Mitt Romney has an even bigger fortune, gotten without being admitted to the bar, though Romney does have a JD. So that part doesn't get us very far. It is worth noting that the last successful trial lawyer who became President was Abraham Lincoln (Wilson wasn't successful as a lawyer, Franklin Roosevelt never practiced, and Clinton was always an academic or public service lawyer.) This election is unusual in that many lawyers or legally trained are running (Clinton, Edwards, Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, Obama) some of whom have done well at the Bar. Nevertheless, I think the mountebank quotient in Edwards is way too high, though not because he is a trial lawyer. It's the spectacle of him hiring out to the Fortress Investment Group hedge fund while bawling of his populism. I must confess that I can't contemplate that without laughing unless I'm heavily injected with sodium pentothal. At that I am more fortunate than Marge R. whose visions leave her (and me) dizzy. Normally I would prescribe oxygen for her, but should she inhale oxygen, she would burst into flame. Which might illuminate the 2008 campaign better than the MSM, though doubtless contributing to global warming and our eventual destruction by Gaia. So you see Rielle Hunter has nothing to fear, except a fiery end.
Hoping you are the same.
Sincerely yours,
Gregory Koster
(4) nk made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 8:53:15 AM | Permalink
It is his only pitch. All kidding about his manlinees aside, the overwhelming evidence is that he is a good husband and father but so is Obama, and Hillary is a good wife and mother. (The Rielle Hunter story is just so much tabloid garbage so far.) His six years in the Senate were undistinguished. His successful, remuneratively at least, legal career is the strongest part of his resume.
(5) nk made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 8:57:32 AM | Permalink
P.S. In fairness, I give him the edge over both Obama and Clinton for accomplishment in life.
(6) Semanticleo made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 11:59:26 AM | Permalink
Edward's is the most electable, and probably the most competent
candidate and that is the most disqualifying feature he features for his WingNut Nation opponents. They are scared he will win the nomination.
If a case is 'settled', it's won. Who cares what his 'win' percentage is. (I guess a trial lawyer cares, but then....who cares?)
Other than his Trial Lawyer Lobby connection; what's the Beef?
(7) Michael made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 12:13:23 PM | Permalink
A very nice analysis of the situation. Settlement is essentiallly a version of "let's make a deal". As a defense lawyer who has gotten on the plane with a grin on his face and settlement authority still in his briefcase--and who has, at other times, had to call back to the client for more settlement authority to close the deal, I recognize how tough it is to determine just who won.
But a good part of business success is the ability to close or make the deal. It seems to me that Mitt Romney's marked business success is an indicator that he'd be at least as good as Edwards in the deal making process--without displaying the rancour that seems to be a part of Edwards' persona.
(8) Michael Myers made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 12:28:53 PM | Permalink
Semanticleo, let me pose the question re, "If there's a settlement he won" to you in a non lawsuit frame.
You own a nice 3 bedroom house somewhere in a middle class suburb. Comparable sales data show that the house is worth $450,000. You sell the house for $275,000--"leaving $175K on the table".
In that situation would you say, the house is sold, it's a win, who cares?
It's fairly easy for a real estate agent to make a comparable sales analysis of what other similiar properties in the neighborhood have sold for--and to come up with a "market value" for a house.
It's tougher, but not impossible, for lawyers on both sides of a personal injury case to come up with a fair settlement value for a case. And if the plaintiff's lawyer settles the case at too low a price, it's the client who gets done out of what Semanticleo would say is rightfully his.
In each case the parties care about the question: "Did I settle for too little money? or, Did I pay too much to settle?" A bad settlement at the wrong price is by definition not a "win" for at least one of the parties.
(9) Carol Herman made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 1:31:15 PM | Permalink
Gosh, it's just like sitting in the dentist's chair. I can't wait for the torture to end; and, yet, we're just at the beginning.
Edwards? Yeah. I was surprised the Rielle story didn't get more play. But what if it only means there's a LACK OF INTEREST. And, when there's a lack of interest, it tells ya something about what's NOT selling.
It seems the primary season is the preliminaries; where front runners need to show there's a pack of horses behind them. Or we wouldn't credit them with "winning" the contest.
I'm also impressed with Abraham Lincoln. Who, in 1860, came into the republican convention in 4th place. But the 3 front runners didn't get along; and wouldn't compromise. So none of them could pass the ballot vote.
3 or 4 votes later, Lincoln emerged as the candidate. It was recognized that he had NATIONAL recognition. The "3-favorites" only had "home teams." Where being a favorite was still limited on the national stage.
And, sitting in the audience, at conventions, are "real players." Those insiders who work for a party and who do all the heavy lifting.
What if there won't be a candidate until this gets mulled over? Why assume there's a slam dunk in sight?
Heck, the baseball season hasn't even begun. But by March, or April, it will start. Lots of people follow a team of their choice. And, if they're lucky? There's a pennant race. And, then the glory of winning the "take home flag," which comes in October.
Heck, women not even pregnant, yet; can have babies before we all go and vote on November 4th. Smart people don't make predictions this far in advance.
And, the primaries? Well, all the advertisers know it's a marketeers dream. Money just keeps rolling in. They're not gonna play their cards to make it seem they already know who wins. And, who loses.
Similarly, I remember a piece Dyer wrote; where he described the moment in the courtroom; where a good lawyer knows his "case just went south." His expressions don't change, though. Nor does he flag his (or her) client to commit suicide.
As to the Rielle Hunter pregancy story; this may come as a shock to a lot of folk. But in today's day and age, being single and being pregnant is acceptable. So are abortions.
It's on the republicans that are stuck on the horns of a dilemma. On the one hand, her pregnancy shocks them. But on the other? Abortions are on the road to becoming illegal.
What if the election, ahead, will come down the wire ... to Hillary being able to save the Supreme Court for most of the People? While there's a lot of energy spent here; and spent among republicans in general, hoping she craps out.
(10) JMW made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 2:46:38 PM | Permalink
Whether Edwards's spiel sells is a moot point. It does. He went from 0 to Senator in North Carolina as virtually a dark horse, by dispelling just such analysis (some would say rhetoric) about his professional record. More so, the people who voted for him in a (clearly) conservative state were not just trial-lawyer lovers.
I think this guy still has legs as a tacky "everyman" compared to two risky choices. Hillary, whom everyone hates whether they admit it or not, and Obama, the "cult flick" of candidates.
(11) Semanticleo made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 4:38:47 PM | Permalink
"Did I settle for too little money? "
Mike;
I see your point but it has limits. When a RE agent gets you to negotiate the lower price, he/she only gives up 6%, a trial lawyer gives up 33%.
Its a cost vs. benefit matter.
If the client is hurting financially, it may be to their long-term benefit to take the money instead of holding out for a pig-in-the-poke.
(12) Semanticleo made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 4:40:19 PM | Permalink
"Did I settle for too little money? "
Mike;
I see your point but it has limits. When a RE agent gets you to negotiate the lower price, he/she only gives up 6%, a trial lawyer gives up 33%.
Its a cost vs. benefit matter.
If the client is hurting financially, it may be to their long-term benefit to take the money instead of holding out for a pig-in-the-poke.
(13) DRJ made the following comment | Jan 6, 2008 10:46:14 PM | Permalink
Cleo,
You make a good argument but consider also that the trial lawyer who works for a 1/3 contingent fee is probably also fronting costs. Thus, it's often better for the contingent fee lawyer (but not for his client) to settle for a lesser amount of guaranteed funds than to spend significant out-of-pocket money in anticipation of a bigger settlement in the future. Who knows how often Edwards did that?
(14) Michael J. Myers made the following comment | Jan 7, 2008 2:17:42 AM | Permalink
DRJ has a decent response to Cleo. This started with Cleo saying that a settlement was a "win".
The point is that you just can't tell whether a settlement was a "win" or not; and if so, you can't tell whether it was a "win" for the defendant who paid less than he/she/it needed to pay to settle--or a "win" for the plaintiff who got a bigger settlement than expected.
So you have to chalk John Edward's settlements off to the "undecided" or "uncertain" column. Some of them were wins, and some were not, but you just can't tell.
But certainly John Edward's reputation as a formidable trial lawyer, able to 'channel' the voice of a dead four year old girl--and have the jury accept that bit of hokum, meant that a corporate or individual defendant would have to factor Edward's skill and the increased possibility of a plaintiff's verdict into their settlement calculus.
But in this circular set of postings, we've simply come around Robin Hood's barn to the point where our host started--most of Edwards' cases settled and it's tough to tell whether all of them were settled well. The same could and can be said about any successful personal injury lawyer--and for that matter, about most business litigation matters. They all settle, and it's the rare case that goes to trial.
(15) El Jefe Maximo made the following comment | Jan 7, 2008 3:55:38 PM | Permalink
I'd give him the advantage over Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of accomplishment. But the stump speech alone tells you that if Edwards somehow got elected, he'd wind up being a more divisive and polarizing figure than even Bush, and might well poison politics in this country beyond repair, if we're not there already.
The speech starts out with the assumption that those of us who he wants to beat are the permanent enemies of all decent people, suitable only to be beaten. That sort of sentiment would be returned in kind. I guess he thinks his 50 or so percent beats our 50 or so percent forever.
(16) wavemaker made the following comment | Jan 7, 2008 5:04:57 PM | Permalink
Bill,
As one who assiduously eschewed PI practice (and divorces) from the outset, my question may seem stoopid, but I proceed nonetheless:
As far as the two opposing lawyers "valuing" the case, it is not so that much of the "value" is based upon fairly well-accepted formulae respecting body parts, degrees of disability, life expectancy, income potential, etc etc -- the end of which is that (at least as to these components) both lawyers can look at a figure and say with assuredness that it is a "fair" value? In that case, the BIG number that is left to cause the vomiting is the high-stakes gambling about what ten common folks of below-average socio-economic and educational levels are going to think when it comes to pulling from a hat a number for pain and suffering. No?
Even for that, I suppose there exists a database of every jury verdict in that county, by month and year, age of victim, etc etc. upon which to calculate a range of possibilities?
Beyond all of that -- I just say that I want no part of a President who (apparently) gets visceral pleasure out of "beating" corporate America. My insurance premiums are already high enough.
(17) curtis made the following comment | Jan 7, 2008 7:42:01 PM | Permalink
Even if it's true, noone is going to believe silky cheated with a girl. End of story.If Herself gets knocked out of the running(not bloody likely),the corporate "protection money" will flow in at an unbelievable rate.
(18) hunter made the following comment | Jan 8, 2008 2:05:26 PM | Permalink
Semanticleo,
Please please please please please let Edwards be the nominee. He is an unelectable ambulance chaser, despised in his home state, a blatant unapologetic hypocritical scumbag. He is conscience free, uses his dead son as a prop, and deprived North Carolinians of medical services based on false claims.
Edwards is not only a slimeball, he is an unelectable slimeball.
Please put all of your resources into promoting this bag of fetid hot air, John Edwards.
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