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Saturday, October 08, 2005
JPod: If Miers had only penned some op-eds!
From the transcript of Hugh Hewitt's interview today on his radio show with the talented and always-interesting "JPod" — multi-media columnist, talking head, and blogger John Podhoretz:
HH: What would prove to you that [Harriet Miers] had the intellectual ability, because I think it's quite obvious that she does.
JP: I would like it if she had written one op-ed in her entire life, on any subject, of any remote interest, it might suggest that she was engaged with these matters.
In fact, as presidents of both the State Bar of Texas and the Dallas Bar Association, Ms. Miers regularly wrote op-eds — quite a few of them. She was writing primarily for an audience of fellow lawyers, however, rather than for the general public. Now, I don't know if JPod will accept an opinion editorial not published in a newspaper as an "op-ed," nor whether he finds, just to pick one example, the need to protect the public from unethical lawyers to be a subject of "remote interest." But I suspect that he might reply by saying that he really meant to say: "An op-ed on important matters of constitutional interpretation and philosophy" or some such thing.
I'll grant that this is a reasonable requirement — if you believe the Court should be limited to professional academics and philosopher-kings, and if you're willing to exclude the overwhelming majority of all practicing lawyers from consideration for the Supreme Court. I'll grant that one could take these positions without necessarily being "elitist" in the sense of being a credentials bigot. I'll even grant you that today's Court is composed essentially as if those were in fact the relevant criteria, even though historically they have not been until very recent times.
But I respectfully submit that if you do adhere to those as your criteria, you'll forever after have a Court as dysfunctional as today's is. There: another op-ed from Beldar!
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(1) Patterico made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:11:02 AM | Permalink
I especially like the op-ed where she praises someone for "artfully assail[ing] the Republican administration" for its lawyer-bashing.
But hey -- did you hear? She voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984. (No word on 1980, or 1988 -- when she donated thousands to Democrats.) So she must be conservative!
(2) Joan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:55:42 AM | Permalink
I just told Patterico to take the weekend off from this Miers stuff (I'm afraid he's going to stroke out over it.) I'll repeat my advice here, but for a different reason: you deserve a break, Beldar, after all your great blogging this week.
You're one of the few that has brought facts to the table, along with your opinions. Thank you!
(3) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 5:02:41 AM | Permalink
Beldar,
Are you pulling my leg? (I have read through the articles that you link from Miers)
You seem to be wanting to argue that Miers has written the type of opinions and analysis that are sufficient for a democracy to assess her Constitutional bona fides. Is that your argument? At least that is the argument against Miers that you seem to be answering, i.e. that she has not demonstrated and is unlikely to be a deep or well rounded Constitutional law thinker.
May I assume that you agree that mastery of Constitutional law is a necessary qualification for service as a Supreme Court Justice?
BTW, I don't know if this matters to you, but it is shaping up that Miers is not pro-life in a judicial sense. Those who know her well characterize her as in the mold of O'Connor. Your comments?
(4) Glenn made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 7:42:01 AM | Permalink
Beldar:
I'll grant that this is a reasonable requirement — if you believe the Court should be limited to professional academics and philosopher-kings, and if you're willing to exclude the overwhelming majority of all practicing lawyers from consideration for the Supreme Court.
Excellent post. The paragraph from which I took the above is succinctly and exactly the point I have been trying to make, only much more clearly put.
(5) Glenn made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 7:59:24 AM | Permalink
Paul:
BTW, I don't know if this matters to you, but it is shaping up that Miers is not pro-life in a judicial sense. Those who know her well characterize her as in the mold of O'Connor. Your comments?
Paul, I'm sorry. Neither of these post come anywhere close to facts. The former is just a blogger trying to read tea leaves, and the latter is a quote from her fiance from 1972.
33 years is a real long time. Heck, I was pro-choice back in 1972, and I assure you I am not now. I guess if we want to assume the worst, we could assume that the Miers of 1972 and 2005 hold identical views. Myself, I doubt it. We know for a fact she has changed parties.
May I assume that you agree that mastery of Constitutional law is a necessary qualification for service as a Supreme Court Justice?
With all due respect, what does "mastery of Constitutional law" mean? How does one achieve this distinction? Who grants it?
I don't think anyone would argue that Miers is as steeped in constitutional minutiae as Roberts was, but for my money, neither was anyone else currently on the Court when they were nominated.
One of Beldar's main points (with which I agree) is that Miers brings a type of legal perspective and experience that has been absent from the court for many years. I am not offering a pean to diversity here, but there is something to be said for diversity of experience. Anecdotally speaking, I have seen such diversity in action in the workplace, and it always seems to be a positive.
Many argue that the Court is different. Fine, that's as good an opinion as any. I just happen to think it is a narrow-minded view, but that's just me.
(6) gsbaker made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 9:51:36 AM | Permalink
As a 35 year tenured prof(not law) much of it involved in academic administration, I believe that a group composed of those with experience limited to theory and not practice that is not disfunctional is an exception.
Theory by its very essence must simplify and avoid much of the complications of real problems. While necessary, theorists need a good dose of leavening with reality to be fully effective. One hopes that Meirs,if approved can give such a perspective. Your posts gives me, who doesn't trust Bush, some assurance.
(7) Drugstore Cowgirl made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 10:25:09 AM | Permalink
Speaking as an American with a good shot of Scotch-Irish ancestry, Harriet Miers is precisely the type of Supreme I want. I'm all for bottom-up not top-down governance and the Texan, SMU graduate, Ms. Miers and all she has done and represents seems to personify that.
By the way, this blog and Hugh Hewitts' are islands of sanity in a vast sea of what seems more and more to be elitist conservative bedwetters urine. I know...ick. So icky I don't go there anymore.
(8) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 1:40:02 PM | Permalink
Glenn:
How many fingers do I have?
You can make a good estimate, ask me related questions, measure my typing speed, and reason what a person with N fingers would do in certain situation. You do these sort of calculations all the time and they get you through life.
Don't be so dismissive. It shows that you are unsure of your own reasoning. Instead, go through the reasoning yourself and check the inferences and estimates. My analysis has already been predictive. It has power.
(9) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 1:42:36 PM | Permalink
May I assume that you agree that mastery of Constitutional law is a necessary qualification for service as a Supreme Court Justice?
That question was addressed to Beldar. I need to know what he is arguing specifically.
(10) Scott Harris made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 1:50:41 PM | Permalink
I have a scenario for the Miers nomination that I have not seen considered
by the pundits or in the blogosphere.
As a business manager, I am well aware of the fact that putting together a
team of nine leaders is a recipe for the failure of the team. You need a mix
of personalities, capabilities and temperaments. You need some followers,
not 100% leaders. Maybe President Bush is trying to build a team of justices
rather than select individual jurists solely for their own individual
capabilities.
The Court already has two conservative leader/scholar types on the court -
namely Roberts and Scalia. For the most part Thomas follows the lead of
Scalia. Scalia's temperament is such that he is unlikely to bend to the new
leadership of Roberts - especially since he has been on the Court since the
1980's. Thomas has already established himself as the de facto deputy
ofScalia.
Maybe Bush, having just nominated Roberts for Chief Justice, wants someone
on the Court dedicated to being his (Robert's) trusted deputy. Would Luttig
or McConnell or another conservative judicial "star" be willing to play that
role? Not likely. Might not the "partnership" of Roberts/Miers be more
conducive to Robert's success than having him compete with the personality
of a newly nominated "star" in addition to contending with the personalities
of Scalia and the more liberal justices? Might not one of those other
judicial "stars" the pundits are lamenting feel an obligation to establish
his own judicial reputation independent of that of Roberts (and even
Scalia)? Might not they feel the need to give us an unnecessary
demonstration of their independence?
Suppose that Miers does not have the ego that requires her to prove her
bonafides independently. Suppose that she is willing to follow the lead of
Roberts. Suppose that she is willing to quietly offer advice to Roberts in
the same manner that she has been willing to offer it to President Bush. Is
it possible that Bush nominated Miers for the express purpose of being the
alter ego to Roberts ego? Does President Bush foresee Miers playing the same
role for Roberts as she has played for President Bush - that of consigliere?
As an individual nominee, Miers is a huge disappointment. But if her
assignment is to strengthen the hand of the newly nominated Chief justice,
then perhaps she truly is the best person for the job in every sense. It is
possible that a team of Roberts/Miers will be much more successful than two
new justices bent on proving their individual judicial independence?
Maybe, President Bush is thinking like a business manager. The opportunity
to nominate a new Chief Justice is a wonderful opportunity to affect the
direction of the Court. But having the almost simultaneous opportunity to
strengthen that new leader's hand by giving him a trusted deputy is almost
without precedent. Maybe President Bush is once again being woefully
misunderestimated by almost everyone. What is more important - having a
Court packed with judicial "stars" or having a more effective Court?
It is possible, even likely, that Miers will never win the judicial "Oscar"
for "best judicial actor." But in his role as casting director, maybe
President Bush is casting Miers for the role of"best supporting actor." Is
that necessarily a bad thing?
(11) brandon davis made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 2:04:25 PM | Permalink
Scott? Kudos. You've just given the ONLY semi-adequately persuasive argument I've heard or read in support of the president's choice. Anywhere.
...and even IF I happen to [continue to] thoroughly disagree with the Meir's nomination (on "comparative" grounds, and because of the obvious cronyism of the president's choice) ...you've at least good, valid reasoning.
(12) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 2:50:26 PM | Permalink
Scott,
Remember, the branches are co-equal. Bush is not the CEO of the supreme court.
All justices have an equal vote. The Chief Justice cannot compel the vote of any other justice. Perhaps they may debate and peruade each other, but social factors that do not rely on expertise in a certain area are highly unlikely to color their votes. They do not reach group decisions, they vote independently based on inputs which may include arguments from other Justices.
A justice is not an office manager and there is no evidence of the sort of social warping of votes that you seem to imply. If anything, she would suck strength from a conservative argument by not being able to argue effectively in support of it on her own thus giving the appearance that the argument lacks soundness.
(13) Scott Harris made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:01:39 PM | Permalink
Paul,
I am not suggesting a formal arrangement, but an informal one. Miers resume does suggest that she has the capability to offer an effective argument.
What I am suggesting is that her ego might not get in the way of supporting Roberts. I am also not suggesting the role of acolyte, more of counselor.
She would, of course, still have an independent vote. But a Roberts/Meirs relationship similar to that of Scalia/Thomas might not be a bad thing.
As for the CEO thing, if my scenario is accurate, then Bush is offering his consigliere to another CEO, not trying to run the court himself - "the old "she served me well, I think she'll serve you well" type of thing.
Mind you, I am not yet convinced that 1) my suggested scenario is accurate, or 2) that Miers is right pick for the court, or 3) that even if my scenario is accurate, that Miers would stick to the script. But from the point of view of a manager, my scenario makes more sense to me than any other that I have seen.
Whether or not it is accurate, I cannot say. But if this is President Bush's rationale, how would he go about saying so without insulting Miers or the sitting Justices including Roberts? How would he be able to reveal his intent without torpedoeing the nomination?
(14) Stuart Buck made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:10:40 PM | Permalink
Scott -- interesting theory, although the characterization of Thomas as following Scalia's lead is flatly incorrect. Thomas has his own brand of originalism that is quite different from Scalia's; he and Scalia have voted on opposite sides in a substantial number of cases; and Thomas quite often writes concurring or dissenting opinions that Scalia refuses to join.
(15) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:47:53 PM | Permalink
Scott,
You have to ask yourself the question, "Why would HM act as assisstant to Roberts?"
The reality is that O'Connor's weakness as a Constitutional thinker lead directly to her optimizing her power by bartering her votes off one way or the other depending on how she might leverage a close decision (and lead to some spectacularly bad precedents).
The optimal gaming strategy for HM will be the same. She gains nothing by acting as a rubber stamp to Roberts. She still even has to close the door and (make the coffee?)
(16) Eh Nonymous made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 3:52:41 PM | Permalink
Stuart: Scott isn't getting it wrong because he read the opinions incorrectly. He simply hasn't been reading the opinions.
Thomas votes with Scalia - when he agrees with him. Scalia votes with Thomas in the same situation. Neither votes with each other at all as often as RBG votes with the others in the liberal wing of the Court. And, the spread is far less than most people assume by reading wrongheaded opinions. The court's often unanimous.
And, as you indicate, on the hard cases that involve _Constitutional_ law (as so few of the important ones do...) the two often part ways, even if they're both nominally conservative.
That said, you're right, Stuart. :)
How bizarre, to argue that we should have followers on the High Court. So that perhaps they won't write dissents when they disagree, just pout and join the majority? No, no, and nu-uh.
(17) Scott Harris made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:08:12 PM | Permalink
Guys,
Don't misinterpret what I have said. I am NOT necessarily saying that Miers is a good nomination because she will be Robert's assistant. I am suggesting the theory that this might be President Bush's intent.
And you are right. I don't read the opinions of the Court. I am not a lawyer, and have no personal insight into the qualifications of any nominee, whatsoever. I am the proverbial uninformed layman, and I admit it.
It is my experience at management that caused me to formulate the above scenario. I have no way of knowing if it is true, or if it is, whether or not that would ultimately be a good thing. I just wonder if it would necessarily be a bad thing.
(18) made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:16:14 PM | Permalink
Paul:
Don't be so dismissive. It shows that you are unsure of your own reasoning. Instead, go through the reasoning yourself and check the inferences and estimates. My analysis has already been predictive. It has power.
First, I didn't mean to be dismissive or rude, and if you took it that way I offer an abject apology. Somehow I missed the fact that you were the owner of the blog in question.
However, my statement that these blog posts are simply conjecture (reasoned conjecture, to be sure, but conjecture nonetheless) still stands. I found your sourcing on the second one rather dubious, as I pointed out above.
Second, I am not at all unsure of my reasoning, since I have made these same arguments all over the internet.
Finally, I'm glad you have a high opinion of your analysis - a person should have confidence in their abilities. But while your analysis may have power to you, it looks to me that you have drawn some rather sweeping conclusions on some very thin evidence. I don't find either post convincing.
(19) Glenn made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:17:01 PM | Permalink
OOPS. Above post mine. Forgot to fill out the form.
(20) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:17:36 PM | Permalink
Scott,
In a business like situation where there is a common end to achieve, I would agree with you that we can get a more effective mix with a heterogeneous team that complements each other.
The SCOTUS is not a team. It is more like a panel of independent experts. They get no group reward for arriving at marginally more optimal socially feasible solutions (I hope that is extremely evident). They do get renown for being swing votes and for writing great decisions with great reach.
They are competing for their place in history, not for a profit-sharing bonus program.
(21) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:22:21 PM | Permalink
Glenn,
My point is that we are in an inderterminate situation an the best we have is out logic and estimates. So don't expect revealed truth here.
I do invite you and everyone to review, criticism, challenge, etc. the analysis that I am constructing. It has already proven useful so it is not just mere opinion. It is actually a worksheet of how I arrive at my conclusions.
(So it is not possible to be rude by helping me improve my analysis--I would be gratefully indebted to all). Harriet Miers and President Bush do not reward or punish me whatever conclusion I reach. The reward is in being right.
(22) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 4:29:41 PM | Permalink
BTW, the link to the Boston Globe article gives a more complete picture. I just extracted the most relevant single point.
The reasoning is by contradiction. What would a pro-life person do in HM's position?
(23) made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 5:30:47 PM | Permalink
Paul:
My point is that we are in an inderterminate situation an the best we have is out logic and estimates. So don't expect revealed truth here.
I am generally skeptical of "revealed truth" on blogs or in the media, so no problem there.
As far as Miers pro-life credentials are concerned, I have a couple of comments. In the first place, she worked very hard to get the ABA to come to a neutral position on this subject. This doesn't prove her pro-life, but if she was pro-choice, why would she do that?
Another example can be found in comments by long-time acquaintences reported by the Baptist Press:
-- Nathan Hecht, a Texas Supreme Court justice and a longtime friend of Miers, who said she told him after a talk at a Dallas church, “I’m convinced that life begins at conception,” The Washington Port reported.“I know she is pro-life,” Hecht told The Post. “She thinks that after conception, it’s not a balancing act -– or if it is, it’s a balancing act of two equal lives."
Again, this is not despositive, but it is certainly encouraging. In sum, I am not sure your evidence against is much stronger than the evidence for her pro-life position.
(24) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 6:14:36 PM | Permalink
Glenn,
Here is what she said at the time:
Our current position [in favor of abortion rights] has no meaning unless it is endorsed in fact by the membership.
Note that she did not resign when the move was rejected (so she continued in a position of representation for a pro-abortion organization conciously).
How do we read these two facts consistently? One possibility is that she wanted to strengthen the pro-abortion legitimacy of the ABA. Another is that she is a stickler for representation. A third is that she was posturing to slide into just the sort of position in Texas politics that she was making a career of (which was very pro-life republican at that time).
Another possibility is that she is a leaf in the wind that found herself in a bad pro-abortion position and made a little ineffective peep, but later decided that she loved her job more than her principles.
Any which way, it tends to make the case that she is not a vote against Roe.
John Kerry also thinks that life begins at conception (it is not much of a belief as much as an observable scientific fact). John Kerry also voted against partial birth abortion and is a strong vote for NARAL each and every time. As I explain in my blog, saying "I am pro-life." really means nothing. We are all "pro-life" just as "is" is. Note also that Hecht is fronting for Miers and has a strong interest in seeing her promoted. Note also what he did not say, "Miers does not support Roe".
This is not encouraging. It goes towards proving the case against Miers. A judicially inclined pro-life person would leave a trace and stake out a position in advance. If you believe that abortion is murder or a way of undermining the Constitution, there is not much room for being silent on the issue.
(25) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 6:15:56 PM | Permalink
Glenn, (sorry for the html error)
Here is what she said at the time:
Our current position [in favor of abortion rights] has no meaning unless it is endorsed in fact by the membership.
Note that she did not resign when the move was rejected (so she continued in a position of representation for a pro-abortion organization conciously).
How do we read these two facts consistently? One possibility is that she wanted to strengthen the pro-abortion legitimacy of the ABA. Another is that she is a stickler for representation. A third is that she was posturing to slide into just the sort of position in Texas politics that she was making a career of (which was very pro-life republican at that time).
Another possibility is that she is a leaf in the wind that found herself in a bad pro-abortion position and made a little ineffective peep, but later decided that she loved her job more than her principles.
Any which way, it tends to make the case that she is not a vote against Roe.
John Kerry also thinks that life begins at conception (it is not much of a belief as much as an observable scientific fact). John Kerry also voted against partial birth abortion and is a strong vote for NARAL each and every time. As I explain in my blog, saying "I am pro-life." really means nothing. We are all "pro-life" just as "is" is. Note also that Hecht is fronting for Miers and has a strong interest in seeing her promoted. Note also what he did not say, "Miers does not support Roe".
This is not encouraging. It goes towards proving the case against Miers. A judicially inclined pro-life person would leave a trace and stake out a position in advance. If you believe that abortion is murder or a way of undermining the Constitution, there is not much room for being silent on the issue.
(26) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 6:18:13 PM | Permalink
Here is the remaider of that post. Sorry, but due to the problems composing in a tiny comment box I'm going to request we continue this discussion at my blog if you are interested.
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How do we read these two facts consistently? One possibility is that she wanted to strengthen the pro-abortion legitimacy of the ABA. Another is that she is a stickler for representation. A third is that she was posturing to slide into just the sort of position in Texas politics that she was making a career of (which was very pro-life republican at that time).
Another possibility is that she is a leaf in the wind that found herself in a bad pro-abortion position and made a little ineffective peep, but later decided that she loved her job more than her principles.
Any which way, it tends to make the case that she is not a vote against Roe.
John Kerry also thinks that life begins at conception (it is not much of a belief as much as an observable scientific fact). John Kerry also voted against partial birth abortion and is a strong vote for NARAL each and every time. As I explain in my blog, saying "I am pro-life." really means nothing. We are all "pro-life" just as "is" is. Note also that Hecht is fronting for Miers and has a strong interest in seeing her promoted. Note also what he did not say, "Miers does not support Roe".
This is not encouraging. It goes towards proving the case against Miers. A judicially inclined pro-life person would leave a trace and stake out a position in advance. If you believe that abortion is murder or a way of undermining the Constitution, there is not much room for being silent on the issue.
(27) Surreal America made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 9:09:45 PM | Permalink
You don't think that the vast majority of practicing lawyers should be excluded from the Supreme Court? The Supreme Court represents the top of the legal profession; shouldn't the vast majority of practicing lawyers be excluded from it by definition?
(28) Paul Deignan made the following comment | Oct 8, 2005 10:09:33 PM | Permalink
Sorry again.
Kerry voted against the partial birth abortion ban.
(29) John Tabin made the following comment | Oct 11, 2005 1:51:22 AM | Permalink
"Op-ed" doesn't mean "opinion editorial." It means "opposite editorial"-- that is, appearing across the page from the editorial in a newspaper. By definition, an op-ed appears in a newspaper.
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