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Sunday, February 06, 2005

Kerry: "I didn't flip-flop on anything"

By far the funniest line I've read since the 2004 election comes from the conclusion of Michael Kranish's interview of Sen. John F. Kerry in today's Boston Globe (hat-tip to an alert reader who emailed me the link):

Asked what hurt him the most during the campaign, Kerry mused about how ''all of us are flawed as human beings" and ''I think I have a strong record" before raising his voice and declaring: ''One thing I know is that I didn't flip-flop on anything."

Surely that line must induce soda-through-the-nose chortling among even many loyal but clear-eyed Democrats. It would be like Dubya declaring, "One thing I know is that I don't have a Texas accent." It leaves one wondering — actually, it leaves me in a state of absolute conviction as to — whether John Kerry really does inhabit an alternate, not-quite-parallel universe.

But now that Sen. Kerry's a big-time national loser, previously friendly MSM interviewers like Kranish or Meet the Press' Tim Russert have become strangely, very belatedly interested in whether he'll finally sign Standard Form 180. Sen. Kerry responds exactly like a child who's already been grounded but is still being questioned about the neck of the broken cookie jar draped around his wrist (bracketed portion by the Globe):

The furor over military credentials hasn't ended with the campaign. Kerry pledged to sign Form 180, releasing all of his military records, but challenged his critics, including Bush, to do the same.

''I want them to sign it, I want [swift boat veterans] John O'Neill, Roy Hoffmann, and what's their names, the guys on the other boat," Kerry said. ''I want their records out there. They have made specific allegations about my record, I know things about their records, I want them out there. I'm willing to sign it, to put all my records out there. I'm willing to sign it, but I want them to sign it, too."

Kerry later confirmed that his decision to sign the form is not conditional on any others signing, but he expressed lingering bitterness over double standards on military service.

''Let me make this clear: My full military record has been made public," Kerry said. ''All of my medical records and all of my fitness reports, every fitness report involving each place I served, is public. Where are George Bush's still? Where are his military records? End of issue."

End of issue? End of issue?!? I suppose that's true in the sense that the 2004 election effectively destroyed John Kerry as a politician of national scope — to the point that I feel slightly frivolous in bothering to write this post.

But doesn't this sound a lot like the "Tommy was stealing cookies too" defense? Earth to Astronaut Kerry: The "guys on the other boat" — which boat, which "guys"? shouldn't it be "guys on the other boats" (plural), plus "the guy on my boat"? — and even your opponent weren't running for President as self-proclaimed war heroes. You were.

And Dubya's military records have been sliced, diced, puréed, and even (when the real records were not deemed sufficiently damning by his enemies) forged and promulgated worldwide through a mainstream media conspiracy that, thank goodness, the blogosphere exploded.

By contrast —

  • An official Navy Department spokesman confirmed during the campaign that the Navy had "withheld thirty-one (31) pages of documents from the responsive military personnel service record as we were not provided a release authorization" — i.e., the now-finally-promised (but still-not-signed) Form 180.
  • WaPo's Michael Dobbs wrote way back on August 22nd (and then seemed, conveniently, to forget he'd written) that only selected medical records had been shown (and then snatched back) from the press; that the Kerry campaign was "continu[ing] to deny or ignore requests for other relevant documents, including Kerry's personal reminiscences (shared only with biographer [Douglas] Brinkley) [and] the boat log of PCF-94 compiled by Medeiros (shared only with Brinkley)"; and that there were "at least a hundred pages" of records that the Navy Department had withheld on privacy grounds (again, no signed Form 180) in response to WaPo's Freedom of Information Act request.
  • Kerry's own pet biographer, Douglas Brinkley, has said to the press of the "massive archive" of Kerry's private papers that he (Brinkley) had reviewed in writing his book, "go bug John Kerry" since "the papers are the property of the senator and in his full control."

In short, not only many details of John Kerry's active duty service record, but of his discharge status and his Paris trips (plural) to meet with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese, still remain shrouded behind Sen. Kerry's very effective stonewall.

If the American public had come to believe that Sen. Kerry had the sort of passionate dedication to protecting us that I believe he has for protecting his own secrets, the guy might actually have been elected. To complete my backhanded compliment, I'll add that John Kerry could have taught Richard Nixon the true meaning of the terms "brazen" and "cover-up."

And yet John F. Kerry, the self-promoting "war hero" and former presidential candidate, has the unmitigated gall to suggest that the "guys on the other boat[s]" be put under the microscope he's repeatedly and successfully deflected from himself.

I suppose to have a sense of shame, one must first have a sense of reality — and John Kerry is so shameless precisely because he lacks any grip on reality. He's still living in the fantasy world of his Super 8 home movies and war diaries — the noble, tragically misunderstood Last Action Hero of his own peculiar alternate universe.  Of course, he's got friends who live there with him — Michael Moore, Garrison Keillor, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Al Sharpton, etc. The question confronting the Democratic Party, however, is whether they all want to live there with him.

Posted by Beldar at 01:42 PM in Politics (2006 & earlier), SwiftVets | Permalink


Other weblog posts, if any, whose authors have linked to Kerry: "I didn't flip-flop on anything" and sent a trackback ping are listed here:

» Another John Kerry Flip-Flop from Captain's Quarters

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» Even In Defeat, Kerry Amazes... from Villainous Company

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» Apparently John Kerry thinks.... from Media Lies

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» Breaking News: Kerry Not a Flip Flopper! from A Bellandean! God, Country, Heritage

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(1) Spear Shaker made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 2:51:12 PM | Permalink

Kerry ran on his faux seriousness and somber, (botoxed) visage. . . there isn't a record of accomplishment to be found anywhere in his Senate career, or his prosecutorial career. . . all he has is his magic elixir. . .

(2) Mike made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 2:58:37 PM | Permalink

Why the rest of the universe hasn't just come out and described Kerry as simply a narcissist is beyond me. Now his parallel universe extends to running arms to the Khmer Rouge, which activity would have been treasonous except that he "did" this years before the K.R. came into existence.

And why do people keep interviewing him in his irrelevancy? I think it's the MSM's subtle revenge for "letting them down." He will have described so many parallel universes that by the time he decides to run for something again, they can open up on him with both barrels for his betrayal as their candidate.

BTW, glad to see you're back blogging, Beldar.

(3) jimboster made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 3:03:10 PM | Permalink

Kerry flip flops by paragraph three.

''I'm not going to sit around, you know. I'm going to learn a lot of good lessons," he said.

Sitting in a wing chair in his Senate office, opposite a historical print of Nantucket Harbor, Kerry offered a wide-ranging assessment of an election he lost by about 3 million popular votes and 35 electoral votes.

(4) MeTooThen made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 5:58:03 PM | Permalink


Strange, this.

That John Forbes Kerry could actually believe this nonsense, or that his supporters will continue to defend him no matter what the evidence is to the contrary.

If there was ever any doubt as to how "unfit" John Forbes Kerry really was to be Commander in Chief, his admission to running guns to the Khmer Rouge has got to be it.


(5) michaele made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 6:26:17 PM | Permalink

So glad it was brought to my attention that you are back to blogging. You have a wonderfully sardonic touch that makes most reads entertaining as well as informative.

(6) BadCatRobot made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 6:49:18 PM | Permalink

Someone might want to point out to the junior Senator from Massachusetts that Bush signed his form 180 already -- in 2000. Man, that's a hell of an information lag ...

(7) Obelix made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 9:23:00 PM | Permalink

Mike commented: "... That John Forbes Kerry could actually believe this nonsense, or that his supporters will continue to defend him no matter what the evidence is to the contrary."

As a recovering Democrat, I have begun to notice, more and more, that the Ds have a very strange view of reality, at least the version for public consumption. They seem to have become adept at taking a few themes from what actually happened, and then decking them in whatever imaginary details they think will suit the purpose at hand. They have gotten so absorbed in doing this that they are not noticing that ... other people are noticing. This behaviour may be cute in a four-year-old, although it needs to be corrected. In adults, it has serious consequences.

And welcome back, Beldar. Your blog is uniquely good and appreciated.

(8) capitano made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 10:22:25 PM | Permalink

Trying to picture GWB as a Do-you-know-who-I-am whiny, sore loser ala Kerry and Gore.

Nope, 404 error, does not compute. Thank the Lord.

(9) A123 made the following comment | Feb 6, 2005 10:31:51 PM | Permalink

Kerry thinks he never flip-flopped on a policy issue because he really never did flip-flop on a policy issue.

Only his *declared* position changed sides; he was lying half the time. (Guess which half.)

Kerry has been one of the most consistent voters in the Senate. His real positions are evergreen (well, everpink).

(10) Geek, Esq. made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 2:06:33 AM | Permalink

He actually believes he's going to be "the man" for the Dems in 2008. I just want him to go away. We would have been much better off going with our version of Barry Goldwater and coming up with a core message and values instead of Chief Stands-On-Both-Sides-Of-River.

(11) Rose made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 2:48:17 AM | Permalink

John Kerry you are just wonderful-no matter what they say about you, I believe you should keep telling the world about your war time experiences-write another book about your time in Vietnam- don't be put off by all this negativity and I do hope you will advise our Labor leaders here in Australia how to run an election campaign. IPRAY YOU KEEP CAMPAIGNING continuously- go on sock it to them you are doing a GREAT JOB John Howard and George Bush think so, I am sure they are very worried that you will stay in the race for 2008

(12) Cassandra made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 7:12:31 AM | Permalink

Beldar, more and more, I am convinced Mr. Kerry missed his calling. Like Gracie Burns, he is undoubtedly one of the most gifted comic straight men of all times.

Who else could have us in stitches so many times over the last 12 months? He is the gift that just keeps on giving: "I voted for it before I voted against it", Christmas in Cambodia, "We were giving weapons to the Khmer Rouge", and now "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" (the Form 180 Song and Dance).

The man is a comedic genius. Even Steve Martin couldn't do it better.

(13) Neo made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 8:19:33 AM | Permalink

I don't think you should take it out on Kerry personally, as so many of his fellow travelers are in the same universe, which sometimes intersects with this one. A large chunk of the Democratic Party, especially it's leadership, live in their own sort of autism, most likely Asperger's syndrome (conversations revolve around self, obsessed with complex topics, lack common sense, voice tends to be flat and emotionless, and socially aware but displays inappropriate reciprocal interaction).
Given the recent performances of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as a mortician and a real estate saleswoman with too many (Botox) tucks, it would seem clear to the neutral observer that Kerry, himself, seems to just following the lead of the pack.

(14) SemiPundit made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 9:35:33 AM | Permalink

Concerning the 180 forms, isn't it reasonable to suggest that if he should approve his, then all of the accusing parties should approve theirs as well? Isn't that what due process is about?

Also, is Mr. Bush's form publicly available (I should think it would be). I would like to see it. I also think many of his fellow citizens have some discomfort about the fact that many of his records are simply missing and unaccounted for.

As for me, I supported Bob Graham until he unfortunately left the race. He had impeccable credentials, since he had served as a governor as well as the Senate. And his medical history was unquestionable, since it had and continues to be shown that one can indeed run our country with a history of heart problems.

(15) Burkee made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 9:45:28 AM | Permalink

Beldar: Glad to see you're back in the swing.

I'm an ole' Navy vet (A-7 pilot) and staunch supporter of the Swifties. My comment is that Kerry had better wake up and smell the fact that we'll be back if he runs again. He can do all the polling and schmoozing and Aspergerizing (nice, Neo) Terayza can afford and it won't change the TRUTH. What an ego...

(16) Where's The Beef? made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 10:34:53 AM | Permalink

>> Kerry demanded that the swift boat veterans who had criticized his military record agree to open up their own files because he knows ''one guy was busted" and another ''has a letter of reprimand."

Vague allegations tossed out there without a shred of substantiation by a public figure who has demonstrated an inability to get his facts straight about events that were seared into his memory. And I mean events during the presidential campaign of 2004.

Poor SOB.

>> "They [Swifties] have made specific allegations about my record, I know things about their records, I want them out there." -- JfK

Does JfK claim to have seen the unreleased military records of others?

His remark is really dumb. He thinks that he can still get more play with the false allegations against President Bush. And he seems to think that he can use the same diversionary tactic against the Swifties. Its a fishing expedition he hopes will happen. In the meantime, he has already made an investment in another make-belief "big fish" story.

How did this loser ever imagine himself worthy of the presidency?

>> ''You know, you're putting together a half-billion dollar corporation, hiring hundreds of employees, in the span of days," Kerry said. ''And the human resource issue of getting everybody tuned in on advance [work], on crowd building, on message, and war room. It's very complicated. And you know, [Bush strategist] Karl Rove had six years . . . to be spending $400 million a year doing messaging, framing, branding, all the kinds of things they do, and they do it very effectively."

It's very complicated? Maybe but it is also a basic opportunity to provide effective leadership. And that $400 million is nothing compared with the responsibilities of guiding the country from the White House.

Rather than admit he lost to the winning candidate, President Bush, JfK still clings to the anti-Rove message of the DU.

Besides, didn't JfK have at least a couple of decades to fulfill his grand plans to capture the presidency?

>> Kerry answered yes to a question about whether he would have voted to give the president the authority to go to war in Iraq knowing what ''we know now" -- that there were no weapons of mass destruction. Kerry said the question was poorly phrased and he thought he was only reiterating why he had voted to give Bush the authority in the first place.

Ah, yes, the mistake was in the question, not his answer. Darn those ruthless and oh-so-hostile interviewers. Obviously, his questioners had never been on the ski slopes with the man-who-would-not-flip-flop.


In his Meet The Press interview (Jan-30-2005), Kerry said: "we were five miles into Cambodia. We went up on a mission with CIA agents.... We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia. We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that's what we did."

1. 5 miles inside Cambodia.
2. Mission with CIA agents.
3. Delivered weapons to Khmer Rouge.
4. Coastline of Cambodia, north of Ha Tien.
5. Photographs.

Right, so now it would appear that JfK claims to have gone deep into Cambodia via the coastline, not through rivers/canals, and did so from a base on the mainland.

The border between Vietnam and Cambodia does extend out into the Gulf of Thailand, of course, and it is possible to travel over ocean water and reach a point along the Cambodia coastline five miles beyond the border. However, those waters were heavily patrolled by the Cambodians and the South Vietnamese. His chain of command would have known about the mission assignement -- and certainly about the attention such a run would have gotten from the border patrols. The possibility that he made such a run is remote at best.

Also, fellow Swifties would have recalled such a run across open water and none have ever gone on record to hint of such a direct attempt to reach the Cambodian coastline, let alone reach supposedly friendly Khmer Rouge. And by "none" I don't mean just the men who served with Kerry on either of the PCFs he commanded. Certainly none of his "band of brothers" on his campaign team.

JfK infamously dissed Gardner -- saying that Gardner wasn't competent to know where the PCF was atany given time -- but it would not take a navigator to notice if he was in the middle of the Gulf and running deep into hostile waters. Or that guns were aboard. Or that said guns were delivered at a point five miles across the border along the Cambodian coastline. It turns out that the hyper-speculation about crossing the border via the rivers and canals does not align with JfK's "documented" gun run.

Remember, JfK has claimed that "everybody" did it. But nobody says they actually did.

(17) Xrlq made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 10:54:52 AM | Permalink

This "I didn't flip flop" bit is reminiscent of the SNL version of John Kerry, who last year declared in a debate:

You know, this President likes to talk about how I called the war in Iraq "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time," that a few days later, how I said that anyone who doesn't think the world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein is not fit to be commander-in-chief. But what he doesn't tell you is that when I denounced the war in Iraq, I was speaking to an anti-war group, and when I endorsed the war, I was addressing a pro-war delegation from the U.G.A. The fact of the matter is, I have consistently supported the war in front of pro-war audiences and condemned it in front of groups that oppose it. That is not flip-flopping, that is pandering! And America deserves a President who knows the difference.

(18) Geek, Esq. made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 12:50:12 PM | Permalink

Question for my conservative fellow citizens:

Do you remember where the "flip-flop" charge first originated?

(19) OldMan made the following comment | Feb 7, 2005 10:41:53 PM | Permalink

You know everyone makes such a big dea out of some of Bush's records being missing. I worked at the Phil. Navy Hospital for a few months in 1973. My job was retrieving medical records that were a few months old from former patients. They were "kept" in a old garage on the base. When I say kept I mean the records were put in cardboard boxes and literally dumped in the garage. When asked to retrieve I was told I had fifteen minutes to look around for such and such a file and if not found by that time limit to head back and report them destroyed. By the time I left the hospital in January 1974 the garage had been torn down and any files in the garage had been discarded. Gosh you think maybe at Bush's base they were a whole lot better at record keeping than at one of the Navy's largest medical bases at the time? I don't think so. I don't think anyone in their right mind has any doubt about what happened to Bush's files. The military at that time was in complete disarray and who had time for files no one even cared about. And no it had nothing to do with "Who" Bush was it had to do with a strong sense of apathy in the military.

(20) Boger made the following comment | Feb 8, 2005 3:04:16 AM | Permalink

Most pleased that Kerry's military record is staying a hot button issue. Seems he has gotten the message: No Form 180, then any future campaign will begin where the previous one ended on Nov. 2, 2004: going critical over questions on discharge. Fantasist, fabulist and narcissist that he is, it appears he is actually entertaining the idea of a another run and is trying to figure out how he can finesse the Swift Boat issues. The Khmer Rouge bit, which I missed but assume is another seared Cambodia memory, sounds like he is diggin a deeper hole, not digging out.

My issue initially was the three purple hearts. I had the same common sense reaction Senator Dole had: How can you get three purple hearts and not have a scratch or a stitch? The regs say that a PH has to be supported by appropriate medical documentation. In his recent interview Kerry said. ''All of my medical records and all of my fitness reports, every fitness report involving each place I served, is public."

Notwithstanding the piece of shrapnel that shows up in leg x-ray, the facts as I know them are that Kerry never produced medical record ONE to support ANY of his three purple hearts. The Russerts, Rathers, Koppels and Dodds of the world need to shelve their personal politics, or the bias or faint heart of their employer, and concentrate on establishing the facts--no matter who is sitting in front of them. Dobbs is particularly culpable since his own WP article clearly showed that Kerry's PH for the Bay Hap operation on 13 March 1969 was fraudulent (the fanny wound was both minor and self-inflicted). This is the PH that got him home in 2 and a half, thus avoiding the fate of his good friend and fellow officer, Droz (KIA a couple of months later.)

Forget the medals--any and all of them. John Kerry would have been war hero enough for all Americans if he had he just completed his 1 year tour doing his job, gained the respect of his command and shipmates and acted with more integrity when he got home. On those rare occasions when he returns to the real world from his parallel universe, he knows this to be true. But then he instantly transports himself back to his other world where his grandmother's advice about integrity gets co-opted by his ego. In that world, when push comes to shove, the end always trumps the truth.

(21) SemiPundit made the following comment | Feb 8, 2005 9:45:21 AM | Permalink

It is unfortunate that a large Navy hospital was forced to destroy medical records only a few months old. It would appear to follow that records older than that were also destroyed. There would seem to have been grave consequences for military personnel who filed disability claims.

So, then, it leaves us to speculate on the completeness and integrity of Mr. Kerry's medical records when they were kept in the disarray and confusion of a war zone.

(22) recon made the following comment | Feb 8, 2005 3:03:00 PM | Permalink

anyone who served during that timeframe was told and knows only one (1) true thing -- KEEP EVERYTHING AND KEEP COPIES OF EVERYTHING -- KEEP YOUR OWN PARALLEL 201 FILE.

In essence, you were told that the military could not be responsible for keeping all your records or keeping them accurately. Paperwork was always half-assed and usually stunk. If you expected to be promoted, you also had to expect to file/provide copies of all required documents from your own files should anything be missing. That included hard-copy proofs of pay, schools, awards, orders for EVERYTHING, etc.

One simple guarantee was that if the S-1 could screw something up, do it wrong or lose, that would occur.

If your actual file held something, it was because it was REALLY important, a clerk found the time to care, or you faithfully and frequently participated in every possible records review and covered every deficiency.

Computer records? Non-existent. Even microfilm/fiche didn't materialize until later.

(23) Kent made the following comment | Feb 9, 2005 4:53:48 PM | Permalink

Surely that line must induce soda-through-the-nose chortling among even many loyal but clear-eyed Democrats.

"I bleaugh my neuse in your zheneral direction!"

As for Kerry's somber visage and potential as a comedic straight man:

Lurch for President?

(24) Where's The Beef? made the following comment | Feb 10, 2005 11:08:35 AM | Permalink

Drowning in Cambodia

Thomas Lipscomb

Admiral Roy Hoffman commanded all the Swift Boats in Vietnam and had the responsibility for parceling the missions assigned to him to the commanders of his bases. According to Hoffman, who commanded Kerry for the four months he served in Swift Boats, “In all the time I served in Vietnam, I never assigned a Swift Boat mission for the CIA to a South Vietnam base like Kerry’s at An Thoi. I assigned Swift Boats for several missions for the CIA infiltrating North Vietnam but I believe they are still classified.”


And not one of Kerry’s faithful crewmembers who stood on the stage with him at the Democratic Convention and exactly none of Kerry’s commanders confirmed Kerry’s
first story of Christmas in Cambodia and so far, none confirm the Meet the Press revision, and neither does Douglas Brinkley.


Kerry proudly told Russert and the world what his top secret mission was. “We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia. We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that's what we did.”


“Ridiculous,” snorted a former CIA station chief from neighboring Laos, “That is the equivalent of delivering arms to the Viet Cong.” Robert Turner, an expert on
North Vietnamese and Vietcong affairs at the embassy in Saigon at the time and now a professor at the University of Virginia says: “Kerry has gone delusional. This is hilarious.”


It is a good update by Lipscomb. The second last paragraph in particular.

(25) eecee made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 2:11:12 AM | Permalink

Beldar: >>An official Navy Department spokesman confirmed during the campaign that the Navy had "withheld thirty-one (31) pages of documents from the responsive military personnel service record as we were not provided a release authorization" — i.e., the now-finally-promised (but still-not-signed) Form 180. <<<

And how do you know those 31 pages were not among those Kerry posted at his website?

Beldar: >>WaPo's Michael Dobbs wrote way back on August 22nd . . . that there were "at least a hundred pages" of records that the Navy Department had withheld on privacy grounds (again, no signed Form 180) in response to WaPo's Freedom of Information Act request <<<

Actually, no. The Navy Personnel Command said the full file consisted of at least 100 pages, not that they had withheld that amount. They released six pages to the WaPo.


And the same question arises: how do you know the other 94 or so pages were not posted by Kerry at his website? Or that 36 of those pages were not the medical records he allowed reporters to inspect?


(26) Beldar made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 9:22:46 AM | Permalink

eecee, you're putting the burden on the wrong guy. Kerry's the one who's asserting that "all" his records have been released. He's the only person who has the keys to the file cabinet, so to speak, and without his cooperation — which he continues to refuse — neither you, I, Judicial Watch, WaPo, nor anyone else can speak with confidence about "all" the records.

A huge portion of my daily practice as a trial lawyer involves extracting records from unwilling sources using the powers of the court system. An enormously popular tactic of those seeking to keep their secrets hidden is to make a global assertion that they've released "all" their records, and then they point to a half-dozen different places and episodes in which partial releases have been made. Without a comprehensive examination — compelled by subpoena and/or court order — to produce everything in one place at one time, sequentially numbered, and with a privilege log for anything being withheld on privilege grounds so those documents can be reviewed in camera, it's impossible to refute such a claim.

And that's exactly the ploy that John Kerry, lawyer of little legal luster and politician of questionable ethics, has used throughout his campaign and even afterwards.

Get off your high horse, please. Not even Douglas Brinkley is fooled by this balderdash.

(27) eecee made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 5:32:30 PM | Permalink

Beldar, you'll have to show me exactly where I made any claim that Kerry released all his records. I asked you how you know that the privacy protected records are not included in those posted at his website.

(28) Beldar made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 6:10:13 PM | Permalink

Re-read my first paragraph please.

(29) eecee made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 8:13:01 PM | Permalink

Re-read my previous posts, please.

(30) eecee made the following comment | Feb 19, 2005 8:26:56 PM | Permalink

Look, rather than have another back and forth, let me summarize:

Of course no one but Kerry can say whether he posted all the papers he then had access to at his website. But no one can say for sure that he didn't, either.

The fact that government agencies cannot release Kerry's privacy protected records to the public does not mean that he has not made them public himself.

(31) Where's The Beef? made the following comment | Feb 23, 2005 4:56:36 PM | Permalink

Who cares what he had in his possession or put on his website? That's a distraction.

Kerry needs to be an adult and fulfill his promise to sign the 180 release form. Then the relevant agencies will be allowed to release all his military records -- with a list of exceptions made due to privacy protection or whatever.

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