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Wednesday, September 15, 2004

Josh Marshall's fan mail

Joshua Micah Marshall, the prominent left-leaning blogger who writes Talking Points Memo, reprints here one of the reactions from his harder-left-leaning readers who've condemned Dr. Marshall for writing that even if the Rathergate documents are "recreations of actual documents authored by Lt. Col. Killian," then (italics Marshall's) "[t]here's a word, though, for these sorts of recreations, if that's what they are: forgeries."  His "fan" wrote (asterisks mine):

So how much are the dips**ts paying you? Naturally I don't expect an answer.  Even if you did reply you'd kill the golden goose.... 

[Your post's key] grafs fail so many tests of integrity and journalistic ethics that I can only conclude they come straight from the WH or the RNC, not that it matters which.

All I can say, Josh, is — Courage!

Update (Thu Sep 16 @ 6:25pm):  Tim Blair has posted some of the similar reactions that Kevin Drum's readers had to his statement  that "the memos are almost certainly fakes, they're sucking up media bandwidth that could be better used elsewhere, and Dan Rather is toast."

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Other weblog posts, if any, whose authors have linked to Josh Marshall's fan mail and sent a trackback ping are listed here:


(1) Rosemarie made the following comment | Sep 15, 2004 11:17:32 PM | Permalink

All you can say is, "welcome to our world."

(2) Dave Schuler made the following comment | Sep 16, 2004 8:48:19 AM | Permalink

Not characterizing the opposing viewpoints but why is it that one group's complaint is that there's no objectivity and the other group's complaint is that the lack of objectivity is insufficiently partisan (not doctrinally sound)?

(3) akmdave made the following comment | Sep 16, 2004 11:20:06 AM | Permalink

And we're supposed to be the wingnuts?

The only way a left-blogger can be forgiven for calling the crude forgeries what they are, is if in the same breath he says the documents were obviously given to Rather by a double agent who's really working for Rove. (Terry McCauliffe implied as much on Friday.)

(4) Birkel made the following comment | Sep 16, 2004 11:47:26 AM | Permalink

The real question is whether Dr. Marshall will see his followers for what they are and turn from them. He is now a Democrat who has been mugged. There's a word for those people if memory serves--Republicans!

Perhaps that 'crazy' Senator Miller was on to something when he said the Democratic Party had left him instead of the other way around.

(5) James B. Shearer made the following comment | Sep 16, 2004 2:54:20 PM | Permalink

Actually this is a nice test case for rating liberal bloggers for intelligence and objectivity. Four I follow are Marshall, Drum, DeLong and Yglesias. I would rate them as follows (from memory).

1. Marshall - skeptical early
2. Drum - more agnostic
3. DeLong - supported memos then recanted with apology
4. Yglesias - supported memos then recanted with excuses

Disagreements? Additions?

Btw judging by the comments to Drum and DeLong, Marshall's emailer is far from alone. Kind of depressing although one of DeLong's commenters, "Paul Callahan", deserves mention for sensible comments.

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