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Tuesday, August 10, 2004
Fisking Rassmann's WSJ op-ed
From his op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal, Vietnam veteran Jim Rassmann, who spoke eloquently for Sen. Kerry at the Democratic National Convention, now argues passionately against the SwiftVets who believe Sen. Kerry is unfit to be Commander in Chief:
This smear campaign has been launched by people without decency, people who don't understand the bond of those who serve in combat.
I see. None of the 250+ SwiftVets understand that bond. You and the small handful of other vets who travel from campaign appearance to campaign appearance with Sen. Kerry do, however — exclusively. Those 250+ guys were just kind of standing around in Vietnam, and didn't really form any bonds, care about their wounded, care about their fellows who died. They don't understand. You and the veterans who do support Sen. Kerry have a monopoly on decency. Right.
Their new charges are false; their stories are fabricated, made up by people who did not serve with Kerry in Vietnam.
Again, I see. Your own quality time spent with John Kerry in Vietnam should instead be persuasive to us. And you tell us how much time that was, quite candidly:
I was not part of John Kerry's command. I was a Special Forces officer who happened to be on his boat at that time.
In fairness, you also say that you "worked with him on many operations and saw firsthand his leadership, courage and decision-making ability under fire." But you suggest that we should discount to zero, however, the views of the gunner from Kerry's own boat; everyone else on the boat "served with Kerry," as, apparently, did you, Mr. Rassmunn. But not that guy!
And we should likewise ignore the views of John Kerry's fellow officers-in-charge of the swift boats that accompanied him on the same day you say he earned his Bronze Star. Precisely one out of twenty-three of the OICs in Coastal Division 11 who served fought worked ummm, did whatever they did at the same time Kerry was in Coastal Division 11 — the officers who actually lived with him, who trained and briefed with him, and whose boats accompanied Kerry's own on the other missions he undertook during his four-month in-country tour (which they, and most of us, might consider "serving with" him) — now supports Sen. Kerry. However, you, Mr. Rassmann — who abhor "smears" — apparently value their service, their word, and their opinions, at zero. They, you say, "should hang their heads in shame."
For his actions that day, I recommended John for the Silver Star, our country's third highest award for bravery under fire. I learned only this past January that the Navy awarded John the Bronze Star with Combat V for his valor.
Ah! Okay, from these two sentences, we learn precisely how well you knew John Kerry in Vietnam, and how strongly indebted you felt to him at the time, and how closely you've followed his career ever after. You neither knew of his medal when it was awarded, nor followed up what had happened with your own medal recommendation, nor paid sufficient attention to any of Kerry's multiple election campaigns over the last 30+ years (including the entirety of his presidential campaign before January 2004) to hear of his Bronze Star. John Kerry made national headlines for throwing his/someone's medals/ribbons over a Capitol fence, but it never occurred to you to wonder if one of those medals/ribbons came from saving your life. You couldn't be bothered — we can only presume because of your "passion for orchids." Yes, sir, clearly you are the man to whom America should turn now for a comprehensive assessment of John Kerry's military career!
Mr. Rassmann, in the unlikely event that you're reading this: I do honor your service, just as I do John Kerry's (however much or little it was). I don't doubt that you're genuinely grateful to him — as no doubt was Licorice the Unlucky Hamster, whom he also saved from a watery death many years later. (All snark aside, Mr. Rassmann, I don't seriously mean to compare you to a hamster. Snark is as intrinsic to fisking as bullets are to combat, but no one would suggest that snark be taken as seriously as bullets or combat, least of all me.)
But those of us who are trying to sort out the differences between your version of events and those of the SwiftVets who were also there on-scene at the time, like Larry Thurlow, are still wondering about the answer to the very specific question that Mr. Thurlow put to you — for which you offered no answer — during your and his recent joint interview on CNN:
If you were under heavy fire at that moment, why is it that neither Lt. Kerry's boat — nor any of the other boats whose crews were engaged in rescuing two other Americans who were wounded and put into the water by an exploding mine — had any bullet holes after the fight?
It's a really, really simple question, sir. Now, I'm genuinely glad that you and the others survived. And one must make allowances for the "fog of war." Perhaps from your viewpoint in and under the water, you thought the precautionary, suppressive automatic weapons fire toward the left bank that Mr. Thurlow described as being laid down by the swift boats was, instead, aimed at you. Certainly the mine or mines that exploded proved that all the boats in the area were in genuine danger. But "heavy fire" from "both banks of the river"? Heavy fire that couldn't manage to put one bullet hole into even one out of five boats?
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Update (Tues Aug 10 @ 11am): The WSJ, at least in its online edition, spells the gentleman's name as "Rassmann," but I see it elsewhere as "Rassman," which strikes me as more likely correct. I've edited this post accordingly. And thanks to Power Line for the links! Those guys are so on top of this whole kerfluffle! And all I can say is wow! about Captain Ed's take on Rassmann, which clued me in on some other rather peculiar details of his story.
Update (Tues Aug 10 @ 2:45pm): No, I didn't miss Mr. Rassmann's references to "Swift Boat Veterans for Bush" in his op-ed's title and throughout its text. I imagined that it gave him (or his ghostwriters) a giggle and maybe slipped past the WSJ editorial staff, who generally are less giggly. I decided not to mention it, but I did think about it when I was wondering whether or not to cut my own reference to Licorice the Unlucky Hamster as being too snarky — and decided to keep it, with the parenthetical disclaimer afterwards.
Update (Mon Aug 16 @ 12:50am): Seems like it's "Rassmann" after all, so I've duly changed the gentleman's name back.
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Comments
(1) Patrick R. Sullivan made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 9:31:45 AM | Permalink
Rassman is definitely not the sharpest Swiss Army Knife in the drawer. He himself has provided testimony, back in March 1969, that Kerry's Bronze Star is based on false information.
Both Rassman and Larry Thurlow were ashore with Kerry earlier in the day when Kerry threw a grenade into a bin of rice (to destroy VC food supplies) and didn't get away quite in time. The grendade exploded and Kerry got shrapnel fragments and rice in his buttocks. Rassman's report of that is supposedly in John O'Neill's book.
Yet, in the Bronze Star citation that wound is stated as coming from shrapnel from the mine PCF-94 supposedly hit on the river. So, if O'Neill's book is correct--and everything has checked out so far--Rassman has to know there's something wrong with the Bronze Star.
Finally, the report that Kerry's boat hit a mine seems ridiculous on its face. The #3 boat was severely damaged by the mine it hit. There is no report of any damage to PCF-94 at all. In fact it was one of the boats that towed #3 to safety.
(2) wolf terner made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 10:39:23 AM | Permalink
And Rassman was a member of the LAPD? Was he even qualified to wash down the toilets? I thank Rassman for his service to his country then but abhor his disservice to his country at this time.
(3) Dave Perkins made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 11:40:20 AM | Permalink
I can't help but wonder what sort of "arrangements" have been made for Mr. Rassman.
Maybe he, or a family member, was unsatisfied with some level of benefit.. and the good senator intervened to increase some monthly amount, or to clear up some Medicare payment problem, or even to get Rassman off the "audit" list with the IRS.. after Clinton, I believe that anything is possible.. but it's clear that Rassman has decided to go down with the Kerry ship, and that can't be a decision he has taken lightly.. he's calling the men with whom he served "liars" and worse.. he's flushing his own reputation, and he must have a compelling reason.. I hope some enterprising reporter or blogger can do some research and find out what has recently changed, financially speaking, in Rassman's life..
I"ll be reading, as usual..
Dave Perkins
Houston
(4) J_Crater made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 12:43:45 PM | Permalink
I remember well during the VietNam war that is was necessary to listen to at least 2 of the major 3 TV networks to begin to see the "truth".
I've seen/hear enough now to believe the Rassman was picked up out of the water by Kerry's boat after a mine exploded "nearby" during the patrol. That's probably enough for Rassman to be pro-Kerry and that's just fine by me. However, the rest of the details still seem a big blurr.
(5) Lloyd made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 2:28:20 PM | Permalink
Hannity & Colmes had on one of the swifties who was describing this incident all too persuasively before being cut off by Susan Estrich. As indicated by the other commenters, there was one mine which blew apart PCF 3. 3 of the remaining 4 boats stayed put and laid down fire along the banks and began rescuing the crew from PCF 3. The 4th boat, Lt Kerry's, took off like a shot, throwing Rassman overboard in the process. After the other boats had rescued the crew of PCF 3 and ascertained there was no enemy fire, Kerry's boat returned, raced ahead of one of the other boats to "save" Rassman.
(6) Patrick R. Sullivan made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 4:14:00 PM | Permalink
I've now had the time to read Rassman's account, and it is an even worse fit of the facts than I thought:
" The second [mine] blast blew me off John's swift boat, PCF-94, throwing me into the river. Fearing that the other boats would run me over, I swam to the bottom of the river and stayed there as long as I could hold my breath."
Meaning that Von Odell, Larry Thurlow, and Jack Chenowith, who weren't underwater, had a better view of what was going on.
"When I surfaced, all the swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks."
If he went overboard "moments later [after the first mine blast]", as he says in the WSJ piece, he wasn't alone. There were at least two other men in the river nearby, and Jack Chenowith was busy rescuing them
"To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water as long as I could hold my breath..."
Again, he's under water most of this time, so how can he impeach the testimony of Odell, Chenowith, and Thurlow?
"...The odds were against me avoiding the incoming fire..."
Yet he wasn't hit.
"...Kerry's boat ran up to me in the water, bow on, and I was able to climb up a cargo net to the lip of the deck. But, because I was nearly upside down, I couldn't make it over the edge of the deck. This left me hanging out in the open, a perfect target."
And again he wasn't hit by bullets. Nor was Kerry right there with him. Nor did the boat sustain bullet damage.
(7) Dman made the following comment | Aug 10, 2004 7:01:58 PM | Permalink
His story in a way confirms that Kerry fled the firezone as he states when he surfaced that all of the swift boats had left. If Kerry's boat left, he either fled the firezone or moved toward PFC #3. All of the affidavits do not support that he moved toward PFC #3.
(8) Bruce Moomaw made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 4:58:22 AM | Permalink
(1) According to Douglas Brinkley, the other three Swift Boat commanders in that affair were Skip Barker, Don Droz and Rich McCann. Barker enthusiastically supports Kerry for president; Droz was killed in Vitnam, but not after sending his wife a whole series of admiring letters about Kerry (which she's kept and released); McCann has so far remained neutral in the presidential race, but (according to Brinkley) told him that he was entirely sympathetic to Kerry throwing his medals away: link; link; link; and link.
However, there are errors in Brinkley's account -- both Rassman AND Thurlow disagree with it -- so this still needs to be investigated.
(2) As of this April, Thurlow was still telling the USA Today that he "wouldn't dispute" that Kerry was "extremely brave" (link). Now he's saying that Kerry "fled the scene" the moment that first mine went off (without any enemy fire), although none of the other Swift Boats did. Interesting switch.
(3) But not the only switch. SBVT's co-founder, Admiral Roy Hoffmann (as the LA Times discovered in July) had repeatedly sent Kerry letters of commendation, without a word of printed criticism; and he told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel in May that he "had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally." Then, last week, he suddenly switched to telling the NY Times that" We were on the same operations, we were operating within 25-50 yards of him all the time, and for them to suggest we don't know John Kerry is pure old bull", and telling Sean Hannity that "I knew him well, because I operated very closely with him and, uh, many of the operations, uh, most of the operations were -- were conducted with multiple boats." link; link (with links).
(4) Regarding the George Elliott Double Affidavit Affair, see link:
"In Friday's Boston Globe, Elliott was quoted as saying: 'It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here.' Elliott told the Globe that Kerry did deserve the medal.
"Inundated with calls to verify the statement, Elliott grew media shy and said through his wife he would not talk. Earlier in the day, Mrs. Elliott said her husband was playing golf and would call back when he returned in the afternoon.
"Elliott later issued another affidavit -- witnessed and notarized -- this time saying he was misquoted by the Globe and reaffirming his belief that Kerry has 'not been honest about what happened in Vietnam.' "
Odd behavior, to say the least.
(5) Regarding the story that Michael Kranish (the Boston Globe reporter who said that Elliott has retracted his first affidavit) has been trying to conceal the fact that he wrote the introduction for one of Kerry's campaign books: the whole thing turns out to flow from a typo by Amazon Books. link (with links):
"On the same day that Kranish's article was published, Drudge wrongly reported that 'Boston Globe journalist Mike Kranish has been commissioned to write the foreword of the Kerry-Edwards campaign book.' Drudge's report included a link to Amazon.com's listing of the book, which had mistakenly credited Kranish as its author.
"The Globe set the record straight in an August 7 article by Globe staff reporter Susan Milligan: 'Kranish had no connection to the Kerry campaign book and did not write its introduction.' Milligan noted that 'Amazon, the online bookseller, apparently contributed to the confusion with a listing for the Kerry-approved campaign book indicating Kranish as the author. PublicAffairs [the book's publisher] officials said yesterday that Amazon had agreed to revise the listing immediately.' Amazon.com has corrected the book's listing, now indicating Senators John Kerry and John Edwards as the sole authors.
" 'Our Plan for America: Stronger at Home, Respected in the World' (Public Affairs, 2004) was commissioned by the Kerry-Edwards campaign. As Globe editor Martin Baron noted in a statement (which the Globe reported on August 7), while Kranish initially signed on to contribute an introduction to an independent and unauthorized account of the Kerry-Edwards platform and policies, 'when PublicAffairs [the would-be publisher of the proposed independent account] subsequently struck an agreement with the Kerry campaign to do an official campaign book, Kranish's relationship with the project immediately ended.' Kranish did not contribute to Our Plan for America, but he did contribute the introduction to a planned unauthorized book, "Kerry and Edwards: Their Plans and Promises" (Perseus Books Group, 2004).
"According to an August 6 article in the New York Daily News, plans for that book have now been shelved.
"Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, however, Drudge continued to push the false claim. After the Globe exposed that Kranish did not write the introduction to 'Our Plan for America' and Amazon.com corrected the error on its website, on August 9, Drudge posted the headline 'Boston Globe "reporter" Kranish still listed as Kerry/Edwards book author..." with a link to a Barnes & Noble description of the other book -- 'Kerry and Edwards: Their Plans and Promises' -- to which Kranish did in fact contribute and which, as the Globe reported but Drudge ignored, was independent and not commissioned by the Kerry-Edwards campaign. The link has since been amended by Barnes & Noble to link to 'Our Plan for America'."
OK. Drudge still has that link on his site; it does indeed now point to Barnes & Noble's description of "Our Plan for America"; there is indeed not a word there (or in PublicAffairs' official description of the book on their own website) about Kranish writing an introduction to the book; and that August 6 "NY Daily News" article does indeed say that Kranish wrote the introduction to PublicAffairs' now-shelved independent book on Kerry, "Their Plans and Promises" -- NOT the introduction to "Our Plan for America" (which the article also mentions).
So, unless PublicAffairs has suddenly scrapped all its initial printing of "Our Plan for America" and is now suddenly carrying out an entire new printing with Kranish's introduction removed just to cover up for Kranish and Kerry -- which seems a wee bit unlikely -- the whole thing stemmed from one slip-up by Amazon which it has now corrected. And Kranish is still innocent of the accusation, which means there's no independent evidence to doubt his account of what Elliott supposedly told him (before Elliott refused to talk to anyone for several hours and then re-issued a new affidavit).
(6) Then (as I've noted before here), there's the matter of John O'Neill's co-author on the book, Jerome Corsi. For some of his -- er -- interesting recent comments on various subjects, see link . (Since then, he's confirmed again that he really did write those things (link.) Does not the fact that John O'Neill co-authored his book with this guy provide some reason to question his reliability?
(7) In short, virtually all of the SBVTers hate Kerry's guts for saying that war crimes were frequent in Vietnam -- and while the case isn't settled yet, there are indications that some of them are lying about his military performance for just that reason. As for whether war crimes actually WERE frequent, Kerry is now saying that he may have "exaggerated" that -- but clearly the SBVTers are understating it, as Tommy Franks flat-out told Sean Hannity last week (link.
(This may explain why Franks also said today that "criticism of John Kerry's war record is political hyperbole and Kerry is 'absolutely' qualified to be commander in chief." (link)
Also see the Toledo Blade's Pulitzer-winning story (which they are continuing to follow up): link
...and the detailed account by the decidedly-non-extreme-Left Charles Lane in the New Republic (including Colin Powell's role in the My Lai coverup): link.
Finally, notice the absolutely fascinating amount of unhappy hemming and hawing Tommy Franks does during the Hannity interview. Clearly he does think such incidents were fairly frequent, but he's very reluctant to admit the fact publicly. How many of the SBVTers fall into the same category?
(9) Bruce Moomaw made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 5:23:36 AM | Permalink
Postscripts:
(1) You've got to dig a bit now for Drudge's link to the PublicAffairs book (link ), but it still doesn't say what he says it says. He does, however, now have an interesting link to the developing story about Jerome Corsi (link):
" 'I don't stand by any of those comments and I apologize if they offended anybody,' Corsi said...
"Calls to the Bush-Cheney campaign were not immediately returned."
(2) PublicAffairs' descripton of the Kerry campaign book can be found at link.
(3) Another interesting item (although not a totally devastating one) regarding O'Neill's reliability at link.
(10) Patrick R. Sullivan made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 9:10:09 AM | Permalink
Some people are beyond hope:
"(1) According to Douglas Brinkley, the other three Swift Boat commanders in that affair were Skip Barker, Don Droz and Rich McCann."
And we have affidavits from Larry Thurlow and Jack Chenowith stating that they were skippers of two, Kerry was a third, meaning you've got six skippers for five boats, Bruce. As I've told you how many times now?
And Brinkley has Rassman being blown off two separate boats in one paragraph, remember.
(11) Bruce Moomaw made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 11:13:08 AM | Permalink
No, Brinkley doesn't. He has him blown off one boat, but according to Rassman it's the WRONG boat and he was actually blown off Kerry's.
Meanwhile, two more developments, according to Kenneth Baer in the New Republic (link):
"...[F]rom what we know about the two central factual claims made in the [TV] ad, we can say more definitively that they are false.
"First, Medical Officer Lewis Letson states that: 'I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury.' Letson offers no proof for his assertion, just details about the dates and places surrounding the injury that are readily available. More damning is that according to official Navy records, Kerry was treated by another medical officer; Letson was not the medical professional who signed Kerry's 'sick call sheet.'
"Second, Gunner's Mate Van O'Dell says that: 'John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. I know, I was there, I saw what happened.' O'Dell did not serve on Kerry's boat, but was on another boat in his division. O'Dell claims to have witnessed the entire incident in which Kerry won his Bronze Star. Yet, his account does not show up in any official Naval documents--from the spot reports filed immediately after the incident that detail damage to two boats (including Kerry's), and Kerry's injury report, to the eyewitness accounts of Jim Rassman, the man who Kerry pulled out of the river. Either O'Dell is right, and Rassman, Kerry, and the US Navy are wrong--or O'Dell has a big legal problem on his hands."
As you say, let's get to the bottom of this. (So does Baer, who urges Kerry to sue for libel right here and now.) One hell of a lot of Vietnam vets on one side or the other of this affair are not just mistaken -- they're deliberately lying through their teeth. Let's find out who, and why.
(12) Beldar made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 2:27:32 PM | Permalink
Mr. Moomaw: I'm posting this and emailing it to you to try to ensure that you get the word on this.
You're a civil commenter and obviously a bright guy. I'm certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're a private individual with strong opinions, and that you're trying to offer up what you see as contrary information, or at a minimum competing opinions on other information. As such, you're welcome to continue commenting here.
But I've got to insist on two things. First, stop pasting long text strings with URLs. Put your links into hyperlink form; if you don't know how to do that, learn. Those long strings completely blow my graphics layout; I've just spent 10 minutes editing your comments to fix it, and I'm not going to do that again, I'm just going to delete any comments that include long URL strings that aren't in hyperlink form. This is just a question of manners.
Second, if I find that you're cutting-and-pasting the responses you've left here and posting the same thing on other blogs verbatim, I'm going to delete those. In other words, if you're a comment spam-bot, I don't want you doing it on my bandwidth. You're welcome, instead, to post a comment here saying something like, "I've addressed the following six issues in my comment on So-and-so's blog," and post one link back to it.
(13) Tongue Boy made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 2:42:04 PM | Permalink
No, I didn't miss Mr. Rassman's references to "Swift Boat Veterans for Bush" in his op-ed's title and throughout its text. I imagined that it gave him (or his ghostwriters) a giggle and maybe slipped past the WSJ editorial staff, who generally are less giggly.
I have a feeling this phrase *didn't* slip past the editorial staff. I'll bet they were happy to let their reader's have a taste of Rassman's snarkiness. If the snarkiness factor doesn't register with the reader, the inability to get names correct might. Not a good performance by Mr. Rassman but a good one by you. Keep up the good work.
(14) Beldar made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 2:43:23 PM | Permalink
One more request as your host here, Mr. Moomaw: Please try to limit the long cut-and-paste quotes from stuff that's available elsewhere on the web. Summarize it with a link, please, or limit direct quotes here to very short blurbs. Thanks.
Back to substance:
Mr. Moomaw, on the question of Captain Elliott's so-called retraction, I have no less than three recent posts on that topic here, here, and here. You and I have debated this exact issue in comments on other blogs, but your comments here suggest you still may not have read them. It may strike you as "strange" or "odd" that Captain Elliott would go "media shy" after a reporter with close ties to the Kerry-Edwards has manipulated him in the press, but to me, at least, that seems not only a natural but a very prudent reaction.
I intend to address the Kenneth Baer New Republic article in a new post, shortly. I think it's indeed interesting not because it provides genuinely new information, but because it is a prime example of how Sen. Kerry's defenders insist on recycling their smears while remaining deliberately oblivious to contrary evidence.
(15) Patrick R. Sullivan made the following comment | Aug 11, 2004 7:19:19 PM | Permalink
I can just hear Bruce--Proust--Moomaw's gears grinding; "That Beldar is just a Texas redneck who doesn't appreciate great literature."
But, I can't help laughing about anyone who expects an enlisted man--O'Dell--to have to file an after action report. Nor someone without any legal training to be offering advice about libel laws, especially when that person has just posted erroneous charges about lies being told.
(16) John Pandelaki made the following comment | Aug 13, 2004 11:09:36 AM | Permalink
I do not understand why you guys have to scrutinize all of these second by second.
The fact that this even happening (Kerry and crew were under fire on a boat in Vietnam) shows that he is dodging live bullet for the country. One stray bullet, even if from the smallest side arm, can take any of them out.
At least there are ex-soldiers who testified for Kerry. Bush have none! That's very telling for me.
(17) asdf made the following comment | Aug 13, 2004 12:06:18 PM | Permalink
This is trashy. Let the vets fight it out amoungst themselves. I'll take the naval records, the medals and the citations as proof enough that Kerry was there and served honorably. What of W?
(18) Dan S made the following comment | Aug 13, 2004 6:53:20 PM | Permalink
If Kerry had stopped at serving honorably, this would never have come up.
But he came home and changed sides. He called his fellow solders, sailors and marines war criminals. He actively supported the enemies of the United States. He threw his medals away. He lied before Congress. One of the more damaging lies was that he was in Cambodia while we were not at war in Cambodia and while the President was making speeches saying we had no military forces in Cambodia.
And now he has decided the fact that he served in Vietnam is sufficient reason for us to make him President of the United States.
Some of use feel pretty strongly that character and integrity matter in a President. We feel the lies about his time in Vietnam are significant markers for bad character. The aim of all this "second by second" analysis is to show others that Kerry was not and is not on "the up and up."
If he has not been about these things, how can we trust he is about anything that he says now? Or anything that he may say should he become President?
Do you understand now why we have to scrutinize all this? The major media is not. This is supposed ot be THEIR job.
But they won't because Kerry is their man. Not only is he not Bush, they agree with him as they mostly agreed with him when he told his lies about those he now calls his "Band of Brothers."
If you agree with him and them, by all means vote for him. I pray there are enough people of sense left in this country that we don't have to find out how he'd do as President.
(19) BARB KATH made the following comment | Aug 18, 2004 9:00:30 PM | Permalink
JUST CURIOUS WHY AS SOON AS THE SWIFTVETS AD CAME OUT EVERYONE WAS JUMPING ON IT AS LIES. EVEN JOHN MCCAIN WHO HADN'T CHECKED IT OUT. IT HAS TO BE A REPUBLICAN FUNDED AD AS THOSE GUYS COULDN'T EVER COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY. WELL THEN TELL ME WHO IS PAYING FOR THE VETS WHO ARE TRAVELING ALL OVER WITH KERRY AND HAVE ANY OF THEM GOTTEN ANY NEW SUV'S? I AM A MILITARY MOM FROM THE NAM ERA AND MY KIDS SURE AS HELL DON'T WANT TO SERVE UNDER KERRY. OUR OLDEST SON JUST RE-ENLISTED IN JAN. OF 03 AFTER ONLY BEING BOARDED OUT FOR MEDICAL ISSUES. HE HAD 14 YEARS IN, 8 ACTIVE 6 IN THOSE COWARDLY RESERVES AND NATIONAL GUARDS. GIVE ME A BREAK, HE'S IN KOSOVO NOW AND HE WANTED TO GO BACK IN. MY DAUGHTER PUT 13 YEARS IN WITH 11 ACTIVE AND BOARDED OUT IN 2000. SHE'S ALL OF 90# AND 5 FEET TALL. THE HIPS GAVE OUT. HER HUBBY HAS 16 AND HE'S A CWO3 WITH THE 160TH AND THOSE GUY'S DON'T WANT TO STAY IF KERRY GETS IN AND MANY ARE UP FOR RE-OPS IN JAN., WOULD BE ROUGH TO START LOOSING ALL OF OUR GUY'S WITH EXPERIENCE. GUESS JOHN AND HIS BUDDIES COULD TAKE OVER THOUGH. I HAVE 3 MORE IMMEDIATE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY BUT THINK YOU HAVE THE IDEA.
I AM STILL TRYING TO FIND A VET IN MY AREA TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEY COULD EVEN RESPECT JOHN KERRY AFTER WHAT HE DID AFTER NAM AND I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE WILLING TO COME FORWARD YET. I WENT TO A RALLY YESTERDAY IN MY CITY RUN BY THE AFL-CIO AND I COULDN'T FIND ANY OF THEM THERE TO ADMIT BACKING HIM. THREE UNION MEMBERS CAME TO MY HOME LATER AND I TALKED TO THEM, HUBBY IS UNION BUT THINKS FOR HIMSELF. ONLY ONE WAS A VET AND I COULDN'T BELEIVE HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KERRY HAD DONE. HIS ONE COMRAD BEGIN TO RELATE THAT HE SAW KERRY ON THE DICK CABBOTT SHOW AND HE DIDN'T CALL OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS, I MUST HAVE MIS-UNDERSTOOD HIM. I DON'T HARDLY THINK SO AND NEITHER DID MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO SUFFERED BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID. SO CAN SOMEONE LOOK INTO WHERE THESE VET'S ARE GETTING THE MONEY CAUSE AT MY AGE I SURE WOULDN'T SPEND MY RETIREMENT MONEY ON ANY CANDIDATE, I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH AND I DIDN'T THINK POLICEMEN MADE THAT KIND OF MONEY WHEN THEY RETIRED. THANKS!!
(20) PTG made the following comment | Aug 19, 2004 10:13:43 AM | Permalink
There are far more important questions surrounding Kerry’s promotion of his service in Vietnam as the basis of his qualifications to be our Commander-in-Chief: namely, the array of concerns emanating from the fact that he, himself, confessed to believing that he committed war crimes. Reading his various public testimonies from 1970-1972, one would have to believe that his four months in Vietnam was a shameful and horrific experience.
From that perspective, it would seem that Kerry is displaying breathtaking cynicism to now claim that his brief service in Vietnam is a point of so much pride and instilled in him so many positive leadership qualities that it should – almost on its own merits – qualify him to be our President. This is truly the most important Kerry flip-flop, and it is not illegitimate, partisan, or underhanded to ask Kerry to explain his own words.
As far as the events of March 13, 1969 and the Rassmann rescue is concerned, certain facts do seem to be acknowledged by virtually all parties concerned. Unfortunately for Kerry and Rassmann, those facts, by themselves, are sufficient to demolish the myth that the Kerry campaign has attempted to create with his “no man left behind” campaign, and call into serious doubt Rassmann’s integrity.
More or less, the “no man left behind” myth is based upon the following scenario: Kerry’s swift boat was hit by a mine; the explosion injured Kerry and blew Rassmann off of his boat into the river; all of the swift boats in the convoy, including Kerry’s, fled the area; Rassmann was alone in the water taking fire; Kerry’s swift, at some point fairly soon thereafter, alone returned to the area under enemy fire; Kerry’s swift turned from an area of relative safety to an area of danger to save Rassmann; Kerry personally pulled Rassmann out of the river; and, most importantly, had injured Kerry not ordered his damaged swift to return to the dangerous area, Rassmann would have been alone and “left behind” to die at the hands of the enemy. John Kerry’s courageous actions saved Rassmann’s life, and the resulting image of Kerry is certainly one of incredible courage and leadership.
Now, consider facts that seem to be acknowledged by both sides.
1. There were a total of five swift boats in the convoy, arrayed in two columns. There were three swifts in the left column, led by PCF-3 under the command of Richard Pees. There were two swifts in the right column, led by PCF-94 under the command of Kerry.
2. PCF-3 was hit by a mine which completely disabled the swift, threw some number of the crew overboard, and wounded everyone on board. The mine was sufficiently powerful as to lift PCF-3 two to three feet out of the water. Swift boats weight approximately 47,000 pounds fully loaded.
3. All of the swift boats in the convoy (except PCF-3) opened suppression fire on the shores.
4. Another swift boat – PCF-51 according to Kerry’s Bronze Star recommendation – “immediately” went to the aid of PCF-3 while PCF-94 provided cover fire.
5. Another swift boat – PCF-43 – took all of the wounded, including Kerry, to the USCGC Spencer for treatment. Rassmann was not among the injured.
6. Kerry’s boat – PCF-94 – towed PCF-3 “clear of danger”.
Now, consider Rassmann’s story. According to him, a second mine detonated near PCF-94 “moments” after the PCF-3 blast and this second blast blew him off of PCF-94. Remember that the first mine was so powerful as to lift a 23 ton vessel two to three feet completely out of the water, and wounded everyone on board. Remember that the alleged second blast near PCF-94 was powerful enough to blow out windows, damage the screws, cause other structural, electrical, and mechanical damage to PCF-94, and inflict a wound to Kerry (inside the Pilothouse) so serious as to merit his third Purple Heart. Nevertheless, Rassmann, who was outside and allegedly experienced the direct force of the blast, did not suffer any reported injuries, not even a concussion. In fact, even after having taken such a blow, Rassmann had the superior presence of mind to stay under water for fear that “the other boats would run me over”.
When he surfaced, according to Rassmann, “all the swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks.”
Now, if PCF-3 and PCF-94 were both in the forefront of the convoy, and the second mine detonated “moments” (Rassmann) or “almost simultaneously” (Kerry’s Bronze Star recommendation) after the first, then Rassmann must have been in the water reasonably close to PCF-3. As such, universally accepted facts require that when Rassman surfaced, he had to be in reasonable proximity to at least three of the swift boats:
1. PCF-3 which was disabled and on fire.
2. PCF-51 which, according to the Bronze Star recommendation, immediately went to the aid of PCF-3, and
3. PCF-94, which, according to the Bronze Star recommendation, was providing cover fire for PCF-51.
Moreover, according to Kerry’s own after-action report, “all boats and MSF returned fire and attempted assist PCF-3.” Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that all of the swift boats were in proximity to PCF-3 immediately after the first detonation, and therefore, reasonably close to Rassman.
It seems temporally and spatially impossible for Rassmann to have surfaced “alone” if he were blown off of PCF-94 “moments” after PCF-3 was blown up.
On this basis, Rassmann was not “alone” and he was certainly not “left behind”: he had one to three swift boats other than Kerry’s in reasonable proximity for his rescue. The difference between being “alone” in the water, and being in reasonable visual and aural proximity of one to three operating swift boats is so significant that it cannot be written off as a foggy recollection.
(21) PTG made the following comment | Aug 19, 2004 10:49:39 AM | Permalink
Another angle to Rassmann’s tale: If he is to be believed, then nearby PCF-3 and its injured crew were also left behind by the fleeing convoy of swift boats (including Kerry’s), and, for whatever reason, when Kerry and PCF-94 heroically returned, they chose only to pick up Rassmann leaving the nearby disabled PCF-3 and its injured crew on their own.
(22) Kerry W. Burgess made the following comment | Aug 19, 2004 5:27:18 PM | Permalink
<< bullet holes after the fight? >>
As I know from personal experience in the military, they miss sometimes.
(23) Beldar made the following comment | Aug 19, 2004 6:33:23 PM | Permalink
Thank goodness for that, Mr. Burgess! You're right that the absence of bullet holes isn't conclusive. However, given the Kerry camp's allegations that there was small arms fire from both banks over a long stretch (more than two miles if I'm remembering correctly), the inability of even one VC to hit even one of five stationary swift boats seems to me to be rather improbable making the absence of bullet holes (in boats and thankfully, in the men), in turn, reasonably persuasive circumstantial evidence.
(24) jpandela made the following comment | Aug 23, 2004 12:38:07 PM | Permalink
The big picture that I think most people are failing to see is that the process of getting a medal is top-down not bottom-up. If Kerry fraudulently got himself some medals that easily, can you imagine how many more soldiers in the history of US military got theirs the same way? Do you have a medal/medals? If you didn't get one for whatever the recent in the citation, will you demand one? I do not think so and neither John Kerry.
About his remark regarding war crimes/attrocities in Vietnam, you have to read the whole context. Please check it here:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204F.shtml
He's telling about what other vets shared in a meeting in Detroit.
(25) John Trujillo made the following comment | Sep 7, 2004 11:18:29 AM | Permalink
As a veteran of 22 years in the Military, the last 13 in Special Forces, I've seen how medals are given out. The actions taken are not as important usually as rank, service or MOS. I know of several medal hounds in Special Forces that do not deserve the recognition they received, but it only remains something to bitch about while having a beer with true comrades in arms. If however I ever thought that one of those PX pussies were using them to gain access to the most powerful position in earth, I'd damn sure do anything to expose them.
To use history as proof that medals are sometimes awarded by who you know, then remember George Armstrong Custer. He awarded two CMHs to his brother, the first for taking a guideon from an unarmed teenager and the second for getting shot while trying to repeat the stunt.
I've had the extreme privilege of working for and/or around real military heroes and their attitude of humility and lack of self promotion is quietly deafening when compared to "spotlight Rangers" like Kerry. What a shame that the two most prolific Democrats in recent history chose to appear like Kennedy and not emulate him.
tj
USA SF (RET)
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